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How do free services on the web make money?

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Re: How do free services on the web make money?

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Disclaimer: I'm going to comment on my personal experience running a free web application, http://sleepyti.me . It's not meant to be self-promoting, but I feel that the experience is relevant. There are a lot of ways to make actual profit (not just break even) with free applications. The Hacker News crowd doesn't always show a lot of love for the "small, free application" crowd, and the echo chamber is correct that h…

Exactly. I did the very same thing, made a small app that showed off my coding skills. It only made about $1000 through Amazon Affiliate sales over the course of a year, but it got some press coverage and got me numerous job offers, one of which I ended up accepting.

There is a lot of value to be had from providing a free web app if you are a lone hacker looking for a job.

Re: How do free services on the web make money?

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Disclaimer: I'm going to comment on my personal experience running a free web application, http://sleepyti.me . It's not meant to be self-promoting, but I feel that the experience is relevant. There are a lot of ways to make actual profit (not just break even) with free applications. The Hacker News crowd doesn't always show a lot of love for the "small, free application" crowd, and the echo chamber is correct that h…

Exactly. I did the very same thing, made a small app that showed off my coding skills. It only made about $1000 through Amazon Affiliate sales over the course of a year, but it got some press coverage and got me numerous job offers, one of which I ended up accepting. There is a lot of value to be had from providing a free web app if you are a lone hacker looking for a job.

Also a 1000 bucks is a thousand bucks.

Re: How do free services on the web make money?

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Disclaimer: I'm going to comment on my personal experience running a free web application, http://sleepyti.me . It's not meant to be self-promoting, but I feel that the experience is relevant. There are a lot of ways to make actual profit (not just break even) with free applications. The Hacker News crowd doesn't always show a lot of love for the "small, free application" crowd, and the echo chamber is correct that h…

I found out a few years ago that my sleep cycle is actually 45 minutes, and not 90 as sleepyti.me suggests. Is there a way to make it work in 45-minute steps?

Re: How do free services on the web make money?

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Note that many of these fall into a bait-and-switch category. You use the product for free for a while, and then all of a sudden you are spammed to high hell, or functionality is taken away unless you pay. Paying isn't really that bad of an option sometimes.

Bait and switch model is a pretty old concept (promo offers, free trials, etc in consumer goods).

Re: How do free services on the web make money?

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Disclaimer: I'm going to comment on my personal experience running a free web application, http://sleepyti.me . It's not meant to be self-promoting, but I feel that the experience is relevant. There are a lot of ways to make actual profit (not just break even) with free applications. The Hacker News crowd doesn't always show a lot of love for the "small, free application" crowd, and the echo chamber is correct that h…

Agreed. I have gotten many job offers and even just a foot in the door due to running http://searchco.de because its interesting to other coders and requires a degree if tech knowledge to run. Every interview I have had since I started running it has asked about it, what I learnt etc... I see it as personal marketing more then anything else.

Re: How do free services on the web make money?

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Disclaimer: I'm going to comment on my personal experience running a free web application, http://sleepyti.me . It's not meant to be self-promoting, but I feel that the experience is relevant. There are a lot of ways to make actual profit (not just break even) with free applications. The Hacker News crowd doesn't always show a lot of love for the "small, free application" crowd, and the echo chamber is correct that h…

I use sleepyti.me five days a week.

At some point, im pretty sure that you had a notice on the site awhile back that there would be an native mobile version. What happened to that?

A mobile version could probably make a fair chunk of change. I'd buy it.

Re: How do free services on the web make money?

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Disclaimer: I'm going to comment on my personal experience running a free web application, http://sleepyti.me . It's not meant to be self-promoting, but I feel that the experience is relevant. There are a lot of ways to make actual profit (not just break even) with free applications. The Hacker News crowd doesn't always show a lot of love for the "small, free application" crowd, and the echo chamber is correct that h…

While I love your site, I have to respectfully disagree with much of what you are saying here.

First, I agree on one main point--your site is not a "startup" or even really a "company" at this point. That said, you still very much have a product, and you are actively monetizing it.

But then let's get into this point by point...

You say that your ads are "non-targeted" but that is not at all accurate. Just because you aren't doing anything actively to target it, doesn't mean Google isn't. Google's AdSense network has a TON of targeting on the back-end that is determining what ads to serve. This can be based on the profile of the user, retargeting lists they may be a part of, the category of site Google has you categorized as (possibly health?) etc. Your ads are VERY targeted. That is actually part of the beauty of the AdSense product.

The second point I really take issue with is that you don't seem to think your site falls into the "if you're not paying for it, you're the product" bucket. Or at least that's how I parsed what you wrote there (apologies if I was off on that).

People aren't paying for your product, and so you are making money by serving them ads. By the nature of it, any ad-supported site falls into that bucket. You require more user impressions/eye balls and that is what you are "selling" to advertisers/Google. This is not inherently evil, and I don't think one needs to prey on their users to leverage advertising. That doesn't mean the saying doesn't apply to them though.

Again, I like what you're doing and think the single banner is a tactful approach (although you'd probably make a lot more by recommending sleep/health-related products and using affiliate links). But those two things you said just aren't accurate so I wanted to clarify on those a bit.

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