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Zurb Launches Foundation 4

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Re: Zurb Launches Foundation 4

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Post by wilfra »

mcrittenden wrote: post #9
tptacek wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you should play around with Bootstrap a bit more just so you can learn not to care when people snark about "another Bootstrap site", because nobody who's really ready to spend money to have a computer solve one of their problems cares (or likely even groks) what web framework you used.

Agreed. I'm not talking about startups or things I want money for. I'm talking about random 1-off side projects built for other tech-savvy people or open source projects. For example, I launched http://toogl.es recently on Foundation and it gets a lot of developer or other technical users.

is toogl.es pretty much what a stock foundation site looks like?

Re: Zurb Launches Foundation 4

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Post by markdown »

wilfra wrote: post #2

What's the advantage of using Foundation over Bootstrap?

Foundation is more flexible. Bootstrap is very opinionated.

Bootstrap is awesome for people who aren't comfortable with CSS and just want to put up something quick and don't mind if it looks like every other site out there.

Foundation lets you write better markup.

Also, If I remember correctly... Bootstrap has caught up now, but in earlier versions, their grid wasn't nestable, which made it almost useless for sufficiently complex websites.

Re: Zurb Launches Foundation 4

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Post by mcrittenden »

markdown wrote: post #12
wilfra wrote: post #2

What's the advantage of using Foundation over Bootstrap?

Foundation is more flexible. Bootstrap is very opinionated. Bootstrap is awesome for people who aren't comfortable with CSS and just want to put up something quick and don't mind if it looks like every other site out there. Foundation lets you write better markup. Also, If I remember correctly... Bootstrap has caught up now, but in earlier versions, their grid wasn't nestable, which made it almost useless for suffici…

Do you have any specifics on why you consider Bootstrap more opinionated? I've used both on a few different sites and haven't really noticed this.

Re: Zurb Launches Foundation 4

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Post by michaelbuckbee »

wilfra wrote: post #10
michaelbuckbee wrote: post #5

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In general Foundation is considered smaller and lighter than Bootstrap, many devs also prefer its use of SASS instead of LESS (which is the Bootstrap default css pre-processor). There is also a smaller community around Foundation, which is good and bad: there isn't the massive third party ecosystem that Bootstrap has [1] but on the flip side many feel that Foundation sites don't look so 'Bootstrappy'. I'm really inve…

Not looking bootstrappy sounds like a good reason to use it for some projects. Is there a 'stock foundation' looking site you can link to, I'm curious if I'd recognize it.

If you're not digging through the source you'd probably think it was a lightly styled Bootstrap site as many of the same tells are present (black top navbar, etc).

However, I think there is some massive confirmation bias at work. If a site customizes Bootstrap and it looks nice nobody credits it as a 'Bootstrap Looking' site, so as a result it is only when the defaults are used that people really pick up on it.

That coupled with the fact that there are many more Bootstrap sites kicking around out there I think has led to the misconception about "Bootstrap Looking" sites.

Re: Zurb Launches Foundation 4

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Post by BaconJuice »

wilfra wrote: post #11
mcrittenden wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I'm not talking about startups or things I want money for. I'm talking about random 1-off side projects built for other tech-savvy people or open source projects. For example, I launched http://toogl.es recently on Foundation and it gets a lot of developer or other technical users.

is toogl.es pretty much what a stock foundation site looks like?

Yes,this site is using the default css with no modifications as far as I can tell.

Re: Zurb Launches Foundation 4

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Post by mcrittenden »

wilfra wrote: post #11
mcrittenden wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I'm not talking about startups or things I want money for. I'm talking about random 1-off side projects built for other tech-savvy people or open source projects. For example, I launched http://toogl.es recently on Foundation and it gets a lot of developer or other technical users.

is toogl.es pretty much what a stock foundation site looks like?

Yeah, pretty much, besides using FontAwesome and a couple tweaks here and there.

Re: Zurb Launches Foundation 4

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Post by arcosdev »

mcrittenden wrote: post #13
markdown wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Foundation is more flexible. Bootstrap is very opinionated. Bootstrap is awesome for people who aren't comfortable with CSS and just want to put up something quick and don't mind if it looks like every other site out there. Foundation lets you write better markup. Also, If I remember correctly... Bootstrap has caught up now, but in earlier versions, their grid wasn't nestable, which made it almost useless for suffici…

Do you have any specifics on why you consider Bootstrap more opinionated? I've used both on a few different sites and haven't really noticed this.

The whole javascript-hipster-semicolon debacle would be high on my list
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