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Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

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Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

#11
> For some reason start-ups are a magnet for people that suffer from depression.

Hmm, I don't know if this is true. Maybe we just see it that way because of the vocal minority effect? Bluntly put: We don't see many 'hey, Joe didn't kill himself/isn't depressive' posts being written.

Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

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post #10

> The statistics being what they are What statistics? You occasionally read about startup employees or (co-)founders killing themselves, that's not a statistic. What's the rate compared to non-startup jobs? Suicide is a problem across the board. If someone is suffering from depression but has even a weak desire to do a startup, I'm not so sure encouraging them to take that job at BigCo is really good advice. A lot of…

> What statistics?

The statistics of start-up failure, which is pretty much a given, success is the exception.

Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

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post #10

> The statistics being what they are What statistics? You occasionally read about startup employees or (co-)founders killing themselves, that's not a statistic. What's the rate compared to non-startup jobs? Suicide is a problem across the board. If someone is suffering from depression but has even a weak desire to do a startup, I'm not so sure encouraging them to take that job at BigCo is really good advice. A lot of…

> What statistics? The statistics of start-up failure, which is pretty much a given, success is the exception.

D'oh, sorry, I misread that as statistics of suicide in startups. Maybe if the "or" later on in the sentence was replaced by "and" it would be clearer, but that narrows your statement.

Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

#15
> With some regularity I read articles about some amiable, accomplished and brilliant young kid that decides to end their life in the start-up scene

This is confirmation bias. You don't hear about all the other people completing suicide.

> If a start-up fails, then to some degree it may feel like you yourself have failed, even if that is absolutely not the case.

There's a risk that this is extended to everything. "If a new job fails"; "If a new relationship fails"; etc.

Really, the article could be saying "Get treatment for your depression" (which is important whether you're doing a start up or not) and "Develop some tools for resilience, learn some techniques to help you cope with life".

Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

#16
I believe there are different types of depression, with different causes and different solutions. Poverty leads to one type, boredom another, stress, uncertainty, loneliness. This list has not been checked for completeness.

A startup, especially if it's your first, contains nearly every trigger listed above. but many who are already depressed see it as a way out of depression. Since if successful, it also covers nearly all solutions.

For some then, a startup is not a choice, it's the only visible way out.

Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

#17
I find this crazy. You don't start something because you want to. You start because you feel you have to.

I don't feel like I could last more than 3 months at bigco, that is if my lack of degree, and my full startup career, and "no-nonsense" attitude woud not block me at the recruitment process.

When you need control of your office life, when you have to be able to make a better expense report system if you see a problem, when you want to impact the end product in a major way, when you want to select the people you will work with, then you have to go for small and young companies.

Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

#19
Good article. It adds something valuable to the (anti/)cheerleading body of evidence that a lot of aspiring startup folk base their should-or-shouldn't-I decisions on.

I would add that I know several people who committed suicide, and these incidents lead us who are left behind to build a mental model of suicide reasons.

My personal suicide anecdote model says:

- If you are depressive please avoid:

- * show-business ( esp. if you have early success )

- * entering a heterosexual marriage and having children if you are actually homosexual

Re: Suffering From Depression? Don't Do That Start-up

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post #15

> With some regularity I read articles about some amiable, accomplished and brilliant young kid that decides to end their life in the start-up scene This is confirmation bias. You don't hear about all the other people completing suicide. > If a start-up fails, then to some degree it may feel like you yourself have failed, even if that is absolutely not the case. There's a risk that this is extended to everything. "If…

I knew these people, and I know a lot of people. Judging by the difference between start-up types committing suicide and people that I know outside of the start-up scene there is a huge difference between the two groups. Of course it is possible that my experience is an outlier, but it is a pretty extreme one (5:0, on groups of 100's of individuals).
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