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A Chinese Hacker's Identity Unmasked

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Re: A Chinese Hacker's Identity Unmasked

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This is racist. If it was a US hacker nobody would care. But ooooooh it's a Chinese hacker. How evil! China soooo evil!

Wait, what? How is this racist? If the story said 'All Chinese are hackers', that would be racist. If the story said, which it did, 'A person who lives and works in China for the government spy academy is a hacker', that is not racist. Edit: Trolling troll is a troll. I 'knew' it was a troll account, but looked just now to be sure... created 34 minutes ago :P.

Just a comment, you meant "who", not "whom".

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The university this guy works for (The PLA Information Engineering University) has a military background. And in China this means the teachers and many of the students are literally military personnel.

Well, it just goes to show what most people know already: That there is a vast campaign by the Chinese government to carry out hacks on foreign (and internal sometimes I bet) targets.

Basically, the thing I took away from the article is that it's so wide at this point that no matter the hacker there that you cast your net toward, it probably leads back to the government. In most other countries I imagine that most of the hackers are either third-party actors (selling what they got for cash or simply stealing cash), or random 'kids' hacking for fun/profit.

Re: A Chinese Hacker's Identity Unmasked

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This is racist. If it was a US hacker nobody would care. But ooooooh it's a Chinese hacker. How evil! China soooo evil!

Wait, what? How is this racist? If the story said 'All Chinese are hackers', that would be racist. If the story said, which it did, 'A person who lives and works in China for the government spy academy is a hacker', that is not racist. Edit: Trolling troll is a troll. I 'knew' it was a troll account, but looked just now to be sure... created 34 minutes ago :P.

It is indeed racist in a minor manner. You see, we all have become adept to such a way of journalism. you ask how?

Well, going by common sense identifying where a hacker is based, if he is not working for the government, is of no use. Do I care if the hacker, who hacked my gmail account on his accord was Indian or Chinese or even American? No I don't.

But, alternatively, I would only want to know if they are state sponsored. So it is assumed always, not just in terms of hacking, but also other criminal acts, like say terrorism.

Saying " A Muslim Terrorist " is of no use, and create un-necessary delusion and association between the words 'muslim' and 'terrorist'. Which could have been avoided otherwise by saying 'a Terrorist', because the fact is that a terrorist is a terrorist.

But the thing is, we have been hotwired like this for years, we want such unnecessary associations, which we can see through 'most' of the times (but not always, say when we experience something similar nearby).

In simple words you can say, we are used to letting journalist screw with our mind with.

'American Fraudster''Muslim Terrorist' 'Chinese Hacker' 'Japanese Pedophile' 'Hindu Extremist'

Pick a newspaper up some odd day, and you will find a lot of them.

PS: Indeed my reasons to call such articles 'slightly racist' are perhaps different for why the original poster said it was 'racist'.

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Be honest, the U.S. did for years the same and still do it. The problem is now: there is a other player, do it better. The exient would be more believably if U.S., UK, France ... would stop do the same to their "enemies" and allies

Re: A Chinese Hacker's Identity Unmasked

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Wait, what? How is this racist? If the story said 'All Chinese are hackers', that would be racist. If the story said, which it did, 'A person who lives and works in China for the government spy academy is a hacker', that is not racist. Edit: Trolling troll is a troll. I 'knew' it was a troll account, but looked just now to be sure... created 34 minutes ago :P.

Just a comment, you meant "who", not "whom".

Indeed. Thanks for calling out my grammar mistake so early in the morning ;).

Re: A Chinese Hacker's Identity Unmasked

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, what? How is this racist? If the story said 'All Chinese are hackers', that would be racist. If the story said, which it did, 'A person who lives and works in China for the government spy academy is a hacker', that is not racist. Edit: Trolling troll is a troll. I 'knew' it was a troll account, but looked just now to be sure... created 34 minutes ago :P.

It is indeed racist in a minor manner. You see, we all have become adept to such a way of journalism. you ask how? Well, going by common sense identifying where a hacker is based, if he is not working for the government, is of no use. Do I care if the hacker, who hacked my gmail account on his accord was Indian or Chinese or even American? No I don't. But, alternatively, I would only want to know if they are state sp…

You can make those associations in other contexts and I would fully agree with what you said here. A person can be a terrorist regardless of race, creed, religion, etc. The same for hackers. That said, the article is specifically discussing a Chinese GOV linked hacker, and thus he is a 'Chinese Hacker'. This can be said without being racist. That he's also of Chinese descent is inconsequential. I'm certain our spook operations have people of every race and background as long as they get the job done. If we say that someone was a 'Chinese Hacker' while they're sitting in the NSA office in Norfolk, VA... oh yeah, that's racist.

Re: A Chinese Hacker's Identity Unmasked

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Be honest, the U.S. did for years the same and still do it. The problem is now: there is a other player, do it better. The exient would be more believably if U.S., UK, France ... would stop do the same to their "enemies" and allies

The problem is now: there is a other player, do it better^H^H^H^H^H^H cheaper.

Re: A Chinese Hacker's Identity Unmasked

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is indeed racist in a minor manner. You see, we all have become adept to such a way of journalism. you ask how? Well, going by common sense identifying where a hacker is based, if he is not working for the government, is of no use. Do I care if the hacker, who hacked my gmail account on his accord was Indian or Chinese or even American? No I don't. But, alternatively, I would only want to know if they are state sp…

You can make those associations in other contexts and I would fully agree with what you said here. A person can be a terrorist regardless of race, creed, religion, etc. The same for hackers. That said, the article is specifically discussing a Chinese GOV linked hacker, and thus he is a 'Chinese Hacker'. This can be said without being racist. That he's also of Chinese descent is inconsequential. I'm certain our spook…

yeah, I read that. I was saying in general.

Though, one thing caught me in the article: Working on behalf of the state, and working in the state machinery is two different things.

If you are skilled, and suppose, you can really do stuff, he did in this case, and as it is, for a minute if we give him the benefit of doubt, that no he is not hacking on behalf of the state, its clear, that since to the chinese govt, itself, he is innocent. And the only thing that can be proven is his skill, through our validation. Which makes him all the very suitable to teach at a chinese IT related institute. so yeah, that might be a good reason to say that, we should introspect, that how should such articles shape our perception of the chinese.

Seriously, lets stop looking at who is building more weapons! Instead, lets compete in who is making more jobs!

Re: A Chinese Hacker's Identity Unmasked

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I honestly don't know that the Chinese government is in the wrong here. If we look, historically, every developing country had to steal intellectual "property" in order to compete against the bigger players. Britain did it when they stole Dutch loom technology (and created massive tariffs in order to keep British wool for British industry), the US did it when they coaxed Samuel Slater to illegally bring British mill designs, and South Korea did it as well. While I understand the US's desire to protect their companies' interests, it seems really disingenuous to label a country an enemy for stealing IP.

The article quotes Stewart as saying: If they did it fair and square, more power to them. But to cheat at it is wrong.

This seems really problematic to me: it's not like all US companies do it "fair and square," and as a sovereign country, it seems like China has every right to summarily ignore IP, or to establish morals that don't care about protecting foreign IP.

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