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Re: Free Source Code Available To Download

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Post by jckay »

M4v3R wrote: post #10
jckay wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. This is an amazing point, and quite honestly i am sorry for not including it. My intent is to have people DO SOMETHING WITH IT. Not just to look at it. I want people to very much do anything they find of value with it. Would that be more GPL or BSD? I will update the post...

Go with BSD if you want people to do something with it. Unless you don't want for people to make closed source apps with it, then go with GPL.

Post Updated to reflect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses

Thanks for pointing this out guys. JK

Re: Free Source Code Available To Download

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Post by gps710 »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #2

I disagree with the part of his post that reads: "First, to do a chargeback when you are buying software and or intellectual property rights is repugnant. Its something you can never give back. No matter what. It can never be deleted. And you know this when you are making the acquisition." There is not other way to signal to the developer that the software is not what you thought it was. For instance, I purchased a n…

Credit card companies require that customers attempt to remedy any complaints with the merchant directly prior to initiating a charge-back. The customer clearly made no claim as to their concerns regarding the product, they just said they weren't the one that bought it, based on the claim of a fraudulent charge.

I see this much like purchasing a home. You have the opportunity to inspect the home during the closing (read code review). This is designed to provide a certification as to the quality of code without making the closed source code visible to you directly. If you don't utilize this, and the app complies as the same app that exists in the app store, it is hard to make the argument that you didn't know what you were getting. Unlike your example, as an app buyer you have the opportunity to use the app prior to purchasing ownership of the asset, so there is much more transparency than in a traditional app store software download example.

Re: Free Source Code Available To Download

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Post by kjackson2012 »

gps710 wrote: post #12
drivingmenuts wrote: post #2

I disagree with the part of his post that reads: "First, to do a chargeback when you are buying software and or intellectual property rights is repugnant. Its something you can never give back. No matter what. It can never be deleted. And you know this when you are making the acquisition." There is not other way to signal to the developer that the software is not what you thought it was. For instance, I purchased a n…

Credit card companies require that customers attempt to remedy any complaints with the merchant directly prior to initiating a charge-back. The customer clearly made no claim as to their concerns regarding the product, they just said they weren't the one that bought it, based on the claim of a fraudulent charge. I see this much like purchasing a home. You have the opportunity to inspect the home during the closing (r…

No they do not need to attempt to contact the merchant. Especially companies like American Express, they will usually chargeback first and ask questions later. In fact, if customers call in to ask what a particular charge is, they will ding the merchant.

Re: Free Source Code Available To Download

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Post by eric_bullington »

I wasn't previously aware of apptopia -- looks very cool and I'm surprised I haven't heard of it before. There's always an interesting outlier project that escapes our notice, right?

But I'm a little confused about this situation. Who was listing this app? (i.e., who originally coded the app?) Was he/she consulted about the situation?

Perhaps I'm not yet understanding how Apptopia works, but I'm surprised you took this action without consulting with the app's author. Or do you own all the apps listed outright? Or did you pay him/her for the app, regardless of the chargeback?

Anyway, glad this made to to HN, I'll take a closer look at Apptopia.

EDIT: And just to be clear, I meant an outlier on the distribution of the projects that are on my screen, not a global outlier for everyone. Clearly, given your funders and growth, many people are aware of your project.

Re: Free Source Code Available To Download

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Post by gerryp »

eric_bullington wrote: post #14

I wasn't previously aware of apptopia -- looks very cool and I'm surprised I haven't heard of it before. There's always an interesting outlier project that escapes our notice, right? But I'm a little confused about this situation. Who was listing this app? (i.e., who originally coded the app?) Was he/she consulted about the situation? Perhaps I'm not yet understanding how Apptopia works, but I'm surprised you took th…

Hey Eric,

So we brokered this app acquisition. The seller (original coder of the app) sold the ownership to this buyer. After paying for and receiving the app, this buyer initiated a wrongful chargeback (we paid out the seller already, so we took the hit as the broker and escrow provider).

So in essence, since he "returned" the app to us, we now own it, and therefore, the app developer community now owns it.

Does that make sense?

Re: Free Source Code Available To Download

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Post by hashpipe »

gerryp wrote: post #15
eric_bullington wrote: post #14

I wasn't previously aware of apptopia -- looks very cool and I'm surprised I haven't heard of it before. There's always an interesting outlier project that escapes our notice, right? But I'm a little confused about this situation. Who was listing this app? (i.e., who originally coded the app?) Was he/she consulted about the situation? Perhaps I'm not yet understanding how Apptopia works, but I'm surprised you took th…

Hey Eric, So we brokered this app acquisition. The seller (original coder of the app) sold the ownership to this buyer. After paying for and receiving the app, this buyer initiated a wrongful chargeback (we paid out the seller already, so we took the hit as the broker and escrow provider). So in essence, since he "returned" the app to us, we now own it, and therefore, the app developer community now owns it. Does tha…

Just thinking out loud here - Is it possible for you to determine whether the buyer and seller were related somehow ?

Re: Free Source Code Available To Download

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Post by eric_bullington »

gerryp wrote: post #15
eric_bullington wrote: post #14

I wasn't previously aware of apptopia -- looks very cool and I'm surprised I haven't heard of it before. There's always an interesting outlier project that escapes our notice, right? But I'm a little confused about this situation. Who was listing this app? (i.e., who originally coded the app?) Was he/she consulted about the situation? Perhaps I'm not yet understanding how Apptopia works, but I'm surprised you took th…

Hey Eric, So we brokered this app acquisition. The seller (original coder of the app) sold the ownership to this buyer. After paying for and receiving the app, this buyer initiated a wrongful chargeback (we paid out the seller already, so we took the hit as the broker and escrow provider). So in essence, since he "returned" the app to us, we now own it, and therefore, the app developer community now owns it. Does tha…

OK, totally clear now. It wasn't at first clear to me what had happened to the seller. In any case, I think your decision to open source the app was totally reasonable, given the buyer's failure to pay for exclusive ownership. Just glad to hear the seller was taken care of. And thanks for the BSD license -- it's a generous license.

Re: Free Source Code Available To Download

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Post by jckay »

hashpipe wrote: post #16
gerryp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Eric, So we brokered this app acquisition. The seller (original coder of the app) sold the ownership to this buyer. After paying for and receiving the app, this buyer initiated a wrongful chargeback (we paid out the seller already, so we took the hit as the broker and escrow provider). So in essence, since he "returned" the app to us, we now own it, and therefore, the app developer community now owns it. Does tha…

Just thinking out loud here - Is it possible for you to determine whether the buyer and seller were related somehow ?

Really wild point. So malicious, but i guess in the same sense that would be a "clever" way to "pay yourself". The seller is someone we have worked with before and has multiple listings with Apptopia (and has had them for a few months now). They also have separate payment profiles. So if they are the same, they have gone through great lengths to hide it...

Still good to keep an eye on. Thanks for making me think through it.

Re: Free Source Code Available To Download

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Post by habosa »

eric_bullington wrote: post #14

I wasn't previously aware of apptopia -- looks very cool and I'm surprised I haven't heard of it before. There's always an interesting outlier project that escapes our notice, right? But I'm a little confused about this situation. Who was listing this app? (i.e., who originally coded the app?) Was he/she consulted about the situation? Perhaps I'm not yet understanding how Apptopia works, but I'm surprised you took th…

Just in case you're wondering, I sold my app on Apptopia and it was a great experience. My friend and I made a game that was very pretty and fun but wasn't obviously monetizable beyond ads. I put it up on Apptopia and Jonathan hustled his ass off and got me $2500 for the app, which was great considering it was a side project and I wanted to pass it on to someone with more time.
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