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Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#11

Post by yankcrime »

josephagoss wrote: post #3
speeder wrote: post #2

Can anyone please tell me why Oracle is doing that? I don't get it, it seems to me that the amount of unhappy people would eclipse any penny they might earn with such cheap tactics, it is not like this would give them a 10% profit increase.

Oracle don't care about happy people, and a lack of happy people dealing with Oracle has not stopped their massive profits so why would they start now? I think this is extra worse than normal bundling, because its a friggin platform! A basis for applications, it smells as bad as Microsoft asking to install a toolbar during the OS install.

By bundling advert-ridden applications with their latest OS, Microsoft aren't really all that far off the mark from your comment.

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#12

Post by rsobers »

Enterprises will put up with almost anything, including this type of bullshit. The cost of switching is far too great. Same goes for lots of Java devs who make their living off the Oracle ecosystem. Also, probably most consumers that install Java don't realize how crappy this tactic is.

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#13

Post by pi18n »

yankcrime wrote: post #11
josephagoss wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oracle don't care about happy people, and a lack of happy people dealing with Oracle has not stopped their massive profits so why would they start now? I think this is extra worse than normal bundling, because its a friggin platform! A basis for applications, it smells as bad as Microsoft asking to install a toolbar during the OS install.

By bundling advert-ridden applications with their latest OS, Microsoft aren't really all that far off the mark from your comment.

I'm fine with advertisements in desktop apps. Those guys have to make money. But I think there should be a way to pay a fee and forcibly remove them even if the developer didn't code for it. It's your machine, after all.

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#14

Post by bigiain »

Maybe someone (and by "someone" I of course mean "not me!" - my own internet nerd-rage falls well short of doing this, not being much of a Windows user) should write, maintain, and SEO/social-media the hell out of a "Java crap-ware un-installer", which prominently advertises MS-SQL, SAP, and perhaps Postgres while it does it's uninstalling… Then get all the geeks to start telling their bosses "Oh, Java's hijacked your search again? No problem, just search for the "Java Bundled Software Uninstaller" and download it and run it!"

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#15

Post by tobiasu »

On the contrary, please continue. Improve it by adding BonziBuddy and friends. Please please please ruin your already non-existent reputation, Oracle. Help ordinary people who have no idea what Oracle is, connect your name with spam and spyware (and security problems, ofc).

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#17

Post by josephagoss »

yankcrime wrote: post #11
josephagoss wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oracle don't care about happy people, and a lack of happy people dealing with Oracle has not stopped their massive profits so why would they start now? I think this is extra worse than normal bundling, because its a friggin platform! A basis for applications, it smells as bad as Microsoft asking to install a toolbar during the OS install.

By bundling advert-ridden applications with their latest OS, Microsoft aren't really all that far off the mark from your comment.

Are the advert-ridden applications made by Microsoft? If so that says something about how far they have fallen. Why compromise your brand when your making money on hardware and software?

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#18

Post by michaelt »

Surio wrote: post #5

[Somewhat relevant, somewhat off-topic] Commission collections and ethics aside, I actually cannot understand the venom towards Ask (its search results). I believe in keeping web searches open with multiple choices made available to users, so I actively support all viable alternatives (meaning I use Ask, Blekko, ddg, lycos, yahoo (bing) among others instead of Google for regular everyday searches). Ask search results…

I'd never used Ask, so after reading your post I compares a search for "cuda device to host memory copy" [1] and [2]

On google I saw no ads, and the links on the first page of results usually contain the search term.

On Ask there are ads, and they look very much like search results - there's no coloured background to identify them as such - and the search results contain irrelevant links to other Ask properties like "Can I Copy From Youtube? | Ask Jeeves" and "How Memory Stick | ask.co.uk/how"

Personally I won't be switching from Google to Ask.

I'll admit we might see different things - let me know if you'd like screenshots.

[1] http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cuda+device+to+host+memory+... [2] http://uk.ask.com/web?q=cuda+device+to+host+memory+copy

Re: Petition: Stop bundling crapware with Java

#19

Post by yareally »

pi18n wrote: post #13
yankcrime wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By bundling advert-ridden applications with their latest OS, Microsoft aren't really all that far off the mark from your comment.

I'm fine with advertisements in desktop apps. Those guys have to make money. But I think there should be a way to pay a fee and forcibly remove them even if the developer didn't code for it. It's your machine, after all.

There's ads in Microsoft bundled apps as well[1], not just third party developers.

[1] http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/microsoft-cheapens-windows...

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