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Someone got the natural gas report 400 ms early

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Re: Someone got the natural gas report 400 ms early

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Since it takes a while to digest the report after having seen it, chances are that they were in possession of the report far earlier than T-400ms but waited until they were in a time window where they knew the regulators would not come after them.

This is how fortunes are made. By taking advantage of loopholes in the regulatory mechanism.

Re: Someone got the natural gas report 400 ms early

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post #2

After seeing some of their posts earlier and comparing it to live data I record at the colocations, I've concluded that they have clock issues which makes these types of anomalies appear frequently. Or they have a bad data vendor. Interestingly enough, even the regulators don't have good (only millisecond-resolution) trade data.

(I don't know a whole lot about the intricacies of trading) Is there a minimum standard "resolution" for trades, or is everything sort of a best effort based on the speed of the computing hardware involved?

Re: Someone got the natural gas report 400 ms early

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post #11

Since it takes a while to digest the report after having seen it, chances are that they were in possession of the report far earlier than T-400ms but waited until they were in a time window where they knew the regulators would not come after them. This is how fortunes are made. By taking advantage of loopholes in the regulatory mechanism.

I don't know the way these reports are structured, but is it regular enough where there's even a possibility that a bot could digest, analyze, and act on the information there in near real time?

Re: Someone got the natural gas report 400 ms early

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post #9
post #2

After seeing some of their posts earlier and comparing it to live data I record at the colocations, I've concluded that they have clock issues which makes these types of anomalies appear frequently. Or they have a bad data vendor. Interestingly enough, even the regulators don't have good (only millisecond-resolution) trade data.

These are charted with CQS (official) timestamps. Try again.

hmm, its not only the activity just before the official announcement, but also, just after it. There is no way possible that people can just make make a trade 'after' hearing a report 100-200 milliseconds after the report.

The trading before the official announcement is a concrete proof, if this is official, and bug/error free. But then again, this is not my forte.

Re: Someone got the natural gas report 400 ms early

#15
Every sell is someone else's buy, and every buy is someone else's trade.

If you saw a bunch of activity happening milliseconds before it should, why would you be the other party to someone you suspect is committing fraud? You will be the primary victim of the fraud.

Re: Someone got the natural gas report 400 ms early

#16
Remind me of the film Trading Places and the Orange Juice crop reports.

A pico or nano second is in this digital age is an advantage - it is the fairness of that advantage be it routing or some more underlying more sinister aspect that is the real issue here.

Re: Someone got the natural gas report 400 ms early

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post #11

Since it takes a while to digest the report after having seen it, chances are that they were in possession of the report far earlier than T-400ms but waited until they were in a time window where they knew the regulators would not come after them. This is how fortunes are made. By taking advantage of loopholes in the regulatory mechanism.

I don't know the way these reports are structured, but is it regular enough where there's even a possibility that a bot could digest, analyze, and act on the information there in near real time?

The thing is (supposedly and based on this chart) that this order was placed faster than that, even.

Edit to clarify.

Re: Someone got the natural gas report 400 ms early

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Every sell is someone else's buy, and every buy is someone else's trade. If you saw a bunch of activity happening milliseconds before it should, why would you be the other party to someone you suspect is committing fraud? You will be the primary victim of the fraud.

If you saw a bunch of activity happening milliseconds before it should, why would you be the other party to someone you suspect is committing fraud?

If no such report had come out milliseconds later, the activity wouldn't be suspect. How could a person (or in this case, given the timeframe, an algorithm) possibly distinguish this spike from a 'legitimate' spike? It doesn't make sense to blame the victim of a fraud when the victim has no way of knowing at the time that they are being defrauded.

Re: Someone got the natural gas report 400 ms early

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I don't think that increased trading activity supports a conclusion that the report leaked.

People may have anticipated increased trading after the rapport release and may have prepared algorithms to try to gain during this event. The algorithms may have started working before the release.

I'm not saying this was actually the case, but my theory is as well supported as the claim in the post.

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