Is Tokaido (rails.app) Dead?
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Re: Is Tokaido (rails.app) Dead?
#12While I'm interested in this (on a similar note, heroku's postgres app has been great for me), it seems like having to install and manage Rails is an important thing for new people to learn. This is especially true if one wishes to push code to production and so on--even with when using Heroku, one still needs to understand the command line side of all of this. It's also pretty easy to do these days.
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Rails, on a relatively clean system, is so easy to install through the command line that if you can't do that work...then you may not be the kind of person who can easily debug a basic Rails app in the first place...Not trying to be elitist here, as I'm the kind of person who runs homebrew scripts without reading the actual scripts. Just saying that if you can't even do that, the…
A significant portion of the Rails ecosystem -- who we should encourage -- is people coming into web development from a background which doesn't include an engineering degree or years of command line experience. For example, many of them are designers or folks who've otherwise built web pages, for whom is an awesome step forward in terms of their ability to deliver software which solves actual problems.
Eventually, a few years from now, they'll have a better understanding of the full stack, but for now, we want to clear as many possible roadblocks from their way so that they don't either abandon web development or begin using Programming languages which are reasonably Hospitable to People who come from non-traditional backgrounds.
Re: Is Tokaido (rails.app) Dead?
#13While I'm interested in this (on a similar note, heroku's postgres app has been great for me), it seems like having to install and manage Rails is an important thing for new people to learn. This is especially true if one wishes to push code to production and so on--even with when using Heroku, one still needs to understand the command line side of all of this. It's also pretty easy to do these days.
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Rails, on a relatively clean system, is so easy to install through the command line that if you can't do that work...then you may not be the kind of person who can easily debug a basic Rails app in the first place...Not trying to be elitist here, as I'm the kind of person who runs homebrew scripts without reading the actual scripts. Just saying that if you can't even do that, the…
Technologies require mindshare - Tokaido is software conversion optimisation for Rails.
Also "relatively clean system" is an important qualifier. A lot of curious developers won't have one of those, and instead will have to deal with dependency hell and tedious gotchas.
Jumping into learning about the framework is better use of their time upfront.
Re: Is Tokaido (rails.app) Dead?
#14While I'm interested in this (on a similar note, heroku's postgres app has been great for me), it seems like having to install and manage Rails is an important thing for new people to learn. This is especially true if one wishes to push code to production and so on--even with when using Heroku, one still needs to understand the command line side of all of this. It's also pretty easy to do these days.
It seems like having to install multiple different versions of Ruby/Rails is an important thing for a new person to learn, but we have RVM.
It seems like getting a rails app deployed on a server is an important thing for a new person to learn, yet we have Heroku which takes little effort.
We can say this about many of the things ruby/rails and the community has abstracted away for us, but that doesn't mean these tools aren't important in moving forward as a community.
I'm no slouch as a developer. Yet when I've installed RVM on 5+ systems, something _always_ goes wrong, and never in the same way. When it works it works great, but when it doesn't you spend your day bashing your head into a wall.
How will we encourage new programmers to join Rails and the Ruby community when they fail to even get it running?
Re: Is Tokaido (rails.app) Dead?
#15Tokaido is not dead. It's taken longer than I expected, but I've been wrapping up the requirements for the MVP over the past few weeks [1][2][3] and hope to integrate the code I've been writing into the UI in the next few days. I initially anticipated that I'd be able to spend a number of full-time months on the work. I ended up being able to allocate time on a less consistent basis, largely because starting a compan…
Awesome and glad to hear that. Please post this (or just a link to this?) over on Kickstarter though, I'm guessing most of them don't read HN daily.
Re: Is Tokaido (rails.app) Dead?
#16http://railsinstaller.org anyone? Code too: https://github.com/railsinstaller/railsinstaller-nix
JewelryBox is vastly underrated and undermentioned, as far as I can tell. It takes away pretty much all of the work involved with dealing with RVM and has been nothing but a great help since I first installed it a couple months ago.
Re: Is Tokaido (rails.app) Dead?
#17Tokaido is not dead. It's taken longer than I expected, but I've been wrapping up the requirements for the MVP over the past few weeks [1][2][3] and hope to integrate the code I've been writing into the UI in the next few days. I initially anticipated that I'd be able to spend a number of full-time months on the work. I ended up being able to allocate time on a less consistent basis, largely because starting a compan…
Based on the comments, it looks like people are still waiting on handwritten thank-you notes and stickers which the Kickstarter project says were to be delivered in June/July 2012.
> I ended up being able to allocate time on a less consistent
> basis, largely because starting a company (tilde.io) ended up
> offering fewer opportunities for dedicated, isolated work than
> I expected.
Re: Is Tokaido (rails.app) Dead?
#18While I'm interested in this (on a similar note, heroku's postgres app has been great for me), it seems like having to install and manage Rails is an important thing for new people to learn. This is especially true if one wishes to push code to production and so on--even with when using Heroku, one still needs to understand the command line side of all of this. It's also pretty easy to do these days.
It seems like having to install multiple different versions of Ruby/Rails is an important thing for a new person to learn, but we have RVM. It seems like getting a rails app deployed on a server is an important thing for a new person to learn, yet we have Heroku which takes little effort. We can say this about many of the things ruby/rails and the community has abstracted away for us, but that doesn't mean these tool…
I get what you're saying, but the thing is that it's really not difficult to get running. Especially on a Mac. Especially now that we have bundler and such. The only thing one really has to manage is ruby versions, and that can be done with rbenv/rvm.
But doing everything in an app really does have the possibility of hurting one's ability to put code into production, even with heroku.
Re: Is Tokaido (rails.app) Dead?
#19While I'm interested in this (on a similar note, heroku's postgres app has been great for me), it seems like having to install and manage Rails is an important thing for new people to learn. This is especially true if one wishes to push code to production and so on--even with when using Heroku, one still needs to understand the command line side of all of this. It's also pretty easy to do these days.
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Rails, on a relatively clean system, is so easy to install through the command line that if you can't do that work...then you may not be the kind of person who can easily debug a basic Rails app in the first place...Not trying to be elitist here, as I'm the kind of person who runs homebrew scripts without reading the actual scripts. Just saying that if you can't even do that, the…
Having spent a morning this week showing journalism students at Mizzou how to install Django, I would very much like the ability to say "oh you want to try rails? Just download Postgres.app and Tokaido.app and you're set."
Also, this is a weird conversation to be having with a dude who has a book for teaching beginners Ruby (http://ruby.bastardsbook.com/ )!
Re: Is Tokaido (rails.app) Dead?
#20http://railsinstaller.org anyone? Code too: https://github.com/railsinstaller/railsinstaller-nix
JewelryBox is vastly underrated and undermentioned, as far as I can tell. It takes away pretty much all of the work involved with dealing with RVM and has been nothing but a great help since I first installed it a couple months ago.
For the curious, http://jewelrybox.unfiniti.com