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Youth expelled from Montreal college after finding security flaw

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Re: Youth expelled from Montreal college after finding security flaw

#11
The CS faculty at Dawson (less one) should be embarrassed.

This happened to me twice in college, minus the expulsion part. In the less interesting case the University sent around a form to be used in nominating student speakers for commencement. It included a drop down that was keyed off of student id. Student ids were regarded as private.

The school required everyone to either buy health insurance from them, or provide proof of insurance. They had a webapp where you could report this data. The login required your student id, name, and birth date (thanks Facebook). If you visited the app after using it, the form auto-populated with your health insurance information. I brought it to the attention of the University and they took down their nomination app in a matter of minutes.

In the more exciting incident, someone at Sungard called my university and asked them to have the campus police arrest me. (Edit: Quite boring, really http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2008/Jan/409)

Re: Youth expelled from Montreal college after finding security flaw

#15

I beleive Skytech should hire this bloke for a "and they lived happily ever after" story. It's essentially a win-win for Skytech.

After the way this was handled, I'd live in a cardboard box before I worked for this company. You can't have a healthy working environment without trust.

I'd give it a shot if they fired their president, but that's an unrealistic expectation.

Re: Youth expelled from Montreal college after finding security flaw

#16
So why exactly did Tazo (The incompetent president of the company responsible for the security breach) mention "police" and "legal consequences" in his conversation if he wasn't making a threat.

If you are going to be a lying asshole and deny something, do yourself a favor and deny it outright. Don't try to imply that you were just having a friendly conversation about "legal consequences" right before you solicit someone to sign a non-disclosure agreement. No one in the world will believe you weren't trying to intimidate this poor kid into compliance.

Re: Youth expelled from Montreal college after finding security flaw

#17

Even aside from the fact that he was acting in good faith and did not cause any damage to persons or property (as acknowledged by the software vendor), the procedure used to expel him is woefully lacking. I sat on the highest student discipline tribunal at my (Canadian) university and an expulsion for non-academic reasons - which had to receive final approval from both the President and the Governing Council - would…

It was also really crappy cover-up strategy on the school's part. By refusing due process to Al-Khabaz and expelling him with zeroes for his last semester grades, Al-Khabaz now had nothing to lose exposing both the security flaw and the injustice to the press. If they didn't play all their cards at the same time (like putting him on probation or something), he probably wouldn't have gone public.

Re: Youth expelled from Montreal college after finding security flaw

#18

Shame on the faculty! Fire the faculty! I am sure this sort of thing wouldn't fly in France. Looks like Quebec is letting down the Fracophone team. Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité!

Do you mean the dean who ran the judicial hearing? If anyone were to have their heads roll so to speak for this it would be his. The faculty that voted were simply acting on the best information which was presented to them.

Re: Youth expelled from Montreal college after finding security flaw

#19
What's upsetting is the 14/15 professors who voted him to be expelled. Do computer science professors not understand the concept of white-hat hacking? Shame on them.

What message does this send to other students at Dawson? Don't be curious; don't go out of your way to do a favour for the safety of your peers; keep your mouth shut and we'll hand you your degree.

Someone give him a scholarship to a legit university!

Re: Youth expelled from Montreal college after finding security flaw

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post #16

So why exactly did Tazo (The incompetent president of the company responsible for the security breach) mention "police" and "legal consequences" in his conversation if he wasn't making a threat. If you are going to be a lying asshole and deny something, do yourself a favor and deny it outright. Don't try to imply that you were just having a friendly conversation about "legal consequences" right before you solicit som…

seeing how we don't have the actual logs of the conversation, who knows what was actually said. This is the biggest problem with these stories: we only get information through very partial observers.
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