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Well, he's wrong about this. Quoting the maximum statutory penalty is the standard in news releases, but tells you exactly zero about the negotiations in attorney conferences. US attorneys don't write the press releases, those are done by the most junior lawyers and quote the statutory maximum because it's factual without giving anything away about the government's courtroom strategy.

They quote the maximum penalty to both seem hardcore on crime and to intimidate. Let's be honest about that.

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post #3

Linus is dead wrong on this. We have independent confirmation of everything that Ortiz said from the Boston Globe's interview with Aaron's defense attorney. The maximum statutory penalty for the original 4 indictments was 35 years. The prosecutor was planning to seek 6-7 years. There were two plea bargains offered, one was 4 months and no disputing the period, the other was 6 months but the defense attorney would be…

The main reason he's wrong is because she used lawyer speak. She said something that was misleading but technically true. She said that they didn't seek maximum penalties. What she must want people to think when they read it is that she didn't seek harsh penalties, which she did by increasing the number of counts. But since she didn't say this, it isn't technically false.

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[someone who has no inside or even detailed knowledge of the case] says Carmen Ortiz is lying.

How does this advance the debate?

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post #9

Well, he's wrong about this. Quoting the maximum statutory penalty is the standard in news releases, but tells you exactly zero about the negotiations in attorney conferences. US attorneys don't write the press releases, those are done by the most junior lawyers and quote the statutory maximum because it's factual without giving anything away about the government's courtroom strategy.

> US attorneys don't write the press releases, those are done by the most junior lawyers Does it matter who wrote it? It came from her office, she approved it, and therefore she said it.

"she approved it, and therefore she said it"

Are either of those clauses accurate?

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I like Linus and think Ortiz is an idiot[1] but he messed up on this one. The "faces up to 35 years" is obviously not a quote from Ortiz.

[1] Did Ortiz really not understand that pretty much everything Swartz did in in the second half of his life was both prolific and for the greater good on a very large scale?

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At least Linus commented on this very sensitive issue. Not sure why PG has not said anything publicly when he knew and has worked with Aaron during Reddit.

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For all the posts saying Linus is wrong, which he may well be technically, consider this from a layman's perspective.

Ortiz recently: "At no time did this office ever seek ... maximum penalties under the law."

Justice.gov previously: "SWARTZ faces up to 35 years in prison..."

At a minimum it's a bad PR screw-up on their part and they're backpedaling because their "make us look tough" press releases have backfired.

Most people vaguely familiar with the case would think there is a threat of a 35 year sentence, as many recent posts on HN indicate. Would Aaron & his legal team think so too? Probably not.

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post #6

Well, he's wrong about this. Quoting the maximum statutory penalty is the standard in news releases, but tells you exactly zero about the negotiations in attorney conferences. US attorneys don't write the press releases, those are done by the most junior lawyers and quote the statutory maximum because it's factual without giving anything away about the government's courtroom strategy.

What if there was no mention of the penalty they were seeking in negotiations or it was left highly ambiguous? In that situation I could see a public press release announcing that you might face 35 years in prison as quite threatening.

When someone is charged with certain crimes and the press (or a press release) mentions he faces up to X years, it is always the maximum penalty that is being quoted, while the prosecutor usually does not seek it (anything else would be untrue). If Aaron Swartz himself did not realize that, I am sure that his lawyer could have cleared up any confusion for him.

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At least Linus commented on this very sensitive issue. Not sure why PG has not said anything publicly when he knew and has worked with Aaron during Reddit.

> Not sure why PG has not said anything publicly

I find your comment bizarre.

> this very sensitive issue.

> Not sure why PG has not said anything publicly

Why should PG talk publicly about the death by suicide of someone he knew?

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