Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial • Hacker News Board

Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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Post by nwh » Sun, Jan 06, 2013, 3:48 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #9

sp332 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The four guys on trial were not involved with the site at the time the trial first started. There were already other people running it by then.

Sure, but seeing your compadres nailed to a tree in this fashion would likely be enough to give most people pause. To push on in light of that seems fairly determined to me.

I imagine that the operators have absolutely no connection to the pirate bay. Access by Tor, pay to PRQ with an anonymous method (they even do cash), and there's really very little risk in it for them. The money flow could very well be followed, but one would hope they have planned for that.

Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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Post by mtgx » Sun, Jan 06, 2013, 3:59 PM UTC

doe88 wrote: post #7

And then some mock Assange when he expresses fears that it could be the perfect scheme to grab him and extradite him to the US in the end. Reading this, I would also be myself cautious in the Sweden justice system. And btw my position is not against Swede at all, I think the justice system of my own country (France) is no better and is also rigged toward what the establishment/politics have decided.

I think Assange is right to fear that he would be turned over to US. They would find a way or a loophole or just an excuse to do it.

Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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Post by eriksank » Sun, Jan 06, 2013, 4:07 PM UTC

Well, the main actors are still laughing about this and asking us: "You do not like this and so what?", and they are right, because indeed: "So what?". They damn well know that nobody is going to do anything about it anyway. We all know that the next time, they will be even more arrogant and even more condescending.

Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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Post by contingencies » Sun, Jan 06, 2013, 4:08 PM UTC

Down with government! The internet is dead! LONG LIVE THE INTERNET!

Honestly though, Sweden will never be forgiven. I hassle Swedes every time I see them now, and have done for nearly a couple of years. Mostly they are ignorant (particularly the older ones), but some of the young people are on our side (though not necessarily following the issues). Seems their political and legal systems have slipped together in to extremely right wing, corrupt, and US-aligned without anyone in the country noticing.

Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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Post by darkchasma » Sun, Jan 06, 2013, 4:14 PM UTC

contingencies wrote: post #14

Down with government! The internet is dead! LONG LIVE THE INTERNET! Honestly though, Sweden will never be forgiven. I hassle Swedes every time I see them now, and have done for nearly a couple of years. Mostly they are ignorant (particularly the older ones), but some of the young people are on our side (though not necessarily following the issues). Seems their political and legal systems have slipped together in to e…

The Swedes won't be forgiven because they let America bully them? Yup, that's logical.

Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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Post by duuude » Sun, Jan 06, 2013, 4:29 PM UTC

contingencies wrote: post #14

Down with government! The internet is dead! LONG LIVE THE INTERNET! Honestly though, Sweden will never be forgiven. I hassle Swedes every time I see them now, and have done for nearly a couple of years. Mostly they are ignorant (particularly the older ones), but some of the young people are on our side (though not necessarily following the issues). Seems their political and legal systems have slipped together in to e…

Uhm... since when did Sweden's political and legal systems slip into a being extremely right wing?

Compared to the US, Sweden is extremely left wing (whether you like it or not).

Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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Post by ruswick » Sun, Jan 06, 2013, 4:33 PM UTC

3pt14159 wrote: post #6

I do not know if the facts presented here are true (although I expect that they are) this publication is heavily biased as it was founded by the creator of the Swedish pirate party.

Yeah. I took one look the site, decided that it look illegitimate and/or suspicious, and closed the page.

Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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Post by gwern » Sun, Jan 06, 2013, 4:53 PM UTC

darkchasma wrote: post #15

contingencies wrote: post #14

Down with government! The internet is dead! LONG LIVE THE INTERNET! Honestly though, Sweden will never be forgiven. I hassle Swedes every time I see them now, and have done for nearly a couple of years. Mostly they are ignorant (particularly the older ones), but some of the young people are on our side (though not necessarily following the issues). Seems their political and legal systems have slipped together in to e…

The Swedes won't be forgiven because they let America bully them? Yup, that's logical.

Yeah, pretty much. Sweden is not poor; it is not uneducated; it is not corrupt; it is not dependent on the USA for economic or military aid; it's full of people who ostensibly understand that sometimes the USA should be opposed; and so on and so forth. They have means, motive, and opportunity to do the right thing at little cost to themselves, and they failed to do so.

Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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Post by flog » Sun, Jan 06, 2013, 4:53 PM UTC

I'm trying to figure out how to get Adam Curtis to make a doco about all of this political machination. It would be an entertaining and interesting watch.

Surely someone on HN has his ear? Whisper the idea would you, please.

Re: Behind the scenes of the Pirate Bay trial

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Post by sameerp1 » Sun, Jan 06, 2013, 4:54 PM UTC

This article operates on the premise that the defendants are not guilty. But can someone explain how/why creating a site like the Pirate Bay that encourages or at least tolerates piracy is not a crime. I ask in all seriousness.