If you research this issue even as a layman you will come to the same conclusion. Global warming caused by man made CO2 emissions is a total farce. Here is some scientific proof for you to start your research.. http://www.discovery.org/v/30
Japan's boffins: Global warming isn't man-made
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Re: Japan's boffins: Global warming isn't man-made
#12An honest question: how do we know we are not in the opposite of an ice age? So temperatures will get warmer and warmer till they reach a peak and then start dropping till we get to the next ice age? How do we determine that peak and when was the last one?
Climatologists know about the ice age cycles. The talk is about deviations from the expected temperature changes.
Re: Japan's boffins: Global warming isn't man-made
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's always relevant to consider the source. I like to keep in mind that the material arguing problematic anthropogenic warming all comes from public grant funded researchers, who would like to keep getting grants. "Impending Catastrophe" scares up money, I would think.
Ah, the despicable grant-money trope rears its ugly head again. Fine and fair enough, we all agree that research takes money. But I would really like to see, from people who run this one up the flagpole, substantive evidence indicating that 1) Advocating falsehoods is a good way to get grant money, rather than to earn scientific ridicule and a sure death to one's research credibility, and/or 2) A significant number o…
> But I would really like to see, from people who run this one up the flagpole, substantive evidence indicating that 1) Advocating falsehoods is a good way to get grant money, rather than to earn scientific ridicule and a sure death to one's research credibility, and/or
The "AGW support gets funding" argument doesn't require that anyone lie. It merely requires that AGW support be used as a criteria for determining funding.
> 2) A significant number of theories have risen to acceptance within the scientific community based on the supposed ease they afforded in obtaining funding, and have later been dropped when the scandal was discovered.
Again - scandal isn't necessary.
AI before the winter qualifies. So does room-temperature fusion. In fact, all of the "trends" do.
Funding is a social process.
Re: Japan's boffins: Global warming isn't man-made
#14This is an idea that's given rise to many conspiracy theories about the politicizing of science, many of which make a lot of sense when you look at them objectively. I recommend reading Michael Crichton's essay on second hand smoking and some of the content on Green Agenda to get some background information:
http://veritasvincitprolibertate.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/mi... http://www.green-agenda.com/
It's scary to think that powerful people might justify using science as a political tool, just because they believe the ends justify the means. If you're willing to manipulate the truth for what you perceive is good, it opens the door for many dystopian scenarios.
Re: Japan's boffins: Global warming isn't man-made
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's always relevant to consider the source. I like to keep in mind that the material arguing problematic anthropogenic warming all comes from public grant funded researchers, who would like to keep getting grants. "Impending Catastrophe" scares up money, I would think.
I think it is probably most relevant to consider where the funding comes from - 'He who pays the piper calls the tune'. You really would have to involve those who fund the research in your little conspiracy theory for it to make sense. Publicly funded research money generally comes from the government. I don't really see enough incentive for the governments of the world to be paying for biased research in favour of g…
> I don't really see enough incentive for the governments of the world to be paying for biased research in favour of global warming
The incentive seems obvious to me but correct me if I'm wrong: increased taxes and regulation resulting in more power for politicians.
Re: Japan's boffins: Global warming isn't man-made
#16I suspect they came to that conclusion by studying the guts of whales.
This is about as knee-slappingly insightful as a Japanese person saying "Trust Paul Graham on startups? Pfft. What would Americans ever accomplish with a startup, invading somebody?"
Re: Japan's boffins: Global warming isn't man-made
#17Boffin: "...scientists, engineers, and other people who are stereotypically seen as engaged in technical or scientific research. American equivalent is 'egghead.'"
Just in case anyone had no idea what a "boffin" was and figured it was some kind of flightless bird or something.
Not that this happened to me or anything like that.
Re: Japan's boffins: Global warming isn't man-made
#18An honest question: how do we know we are not in the opposite of an ice age? So temperatures will get warmer and warmer till they reach a peak and then start dropping till we get to the next ice age? How do we determine that peak and when was the last one?
Climatologists know about the ice age cycles. The talk is about deviations from the expected temperature changes.
It would be nice if more people acknowledged that we should be seriously addressing the problem of natural climate change as well as man made climate change.
Re: Japan's boffins: Global warming isn't man-made
#19If you research this issue even as a layman you will come to the same conclusion. Global warming caused by man made CO2 emissions is a total farce. Here is some scientific proof for you to start your research.. http://www.discovery.org/v/30
Is that a joke? The discovery institute is in no way a reliable source. They advocate creationism!
Re: Japan's boffins: Global warming isn't man-made
#20From what I understand, these scientists are merely saying that there is not enough evidence yet to instantiate the hypothesis of man-made global warming into fact. And by evidence, these guys are looking accurately descriptions of several known phenomena that affect our climate that are not yet well understood.
The scientists bring up 2 good points for science's sake - first is that scientific models need to be 'tuned' because its impossible to deal with all of the complexities of nature - this makes them susceptible to selective tuning to make them support the hypothesis. They also imply that this hypothesis is unscoped, meaning that solar, aerosel, or other factors haven't been adequately taken into account. If you want to prove the link between carbon and temperature change, prove that that observed effect isn't caused by anything else.
I also think this title is completely link-bait, because they aren't suggesting that Global warming isn't man-made. They are merely saying that the scientific evidence is not conclusive, and won't hold up in a scientific forum if there was no humanitarian agenda attached. I think its healthy for the scientific community, frankly.