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Re: What Is a Harness?

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Post by mpawelski »

theturtletalks wrote: post #3

Harnesses are the next frontier. If LLMs are electricity, harnesses are the “electronics.” Right now, it’s like an AC vs DC between Claude and ChatGPT, but once that settles, the harnesses will be the actual value providers. And Pi is the best harness because of the amazing extension system. You can build extensions that turn Pi into a stock trader, software factory, anything. I tried switching to another harness but…

> Harnesses are the next frontier. If LLMs are electricity, harnesses are the “electronics.”

I really though this comment was a satire ...

Re: What Is a Harness?

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Post by sejje »

theturtletalks wrote: post #3

Harnesses are the next frontier. If LLMs are electricity, harnesses are the “electronics.” Right now, it’s like an AC vs DC between Claude and ChatGPT, but once that settles, the harnesses will be the actual value providers. And Pi is the best harness because of the amazing extension system. You can build extensions that turn Pi into a stock trader, software factory, anything. I tried switching to another harness but…

What did you bring over from prime-agent? (I use prime-agent as my daily since it launched)

I primarily like how it manages sessions, and how agents can easily reference other sessions.

Re: What Is a Harness?

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Post by zukzuk »

oceansky wrote: post #5
theturtletalks wrote: post #3

Harnesses are the next frontier. If LLMs are electricity, harnesses are the “electronics.” Right now, it’s like an AC vs DC between Claude and ChatGPT, but once that settles, the harnesses will be the actual value providers. And Pi is the best harness because of the amazing extension system. You can build extensions that turn Pi into a stock trader, software factory, anything. I tried switching to another harness but…

I want to move from Claude Desktop to Pi, but I found it a little unfriendly. Any tips to set it up?

I haven’t tried it myself yet but I’m under the impression that Hermes Agent might be what you’re looking for?

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Post by jrflo »

theturtletalks wrote: post #3

Harnesses are the next frontier. If LLMs are electricity, harnesses are the “electronics.” Right now, it’s like an AC vs DC between Claude and ChatGPT, but once that settles, the harnesses will be the actual value providers. And Pi is the best harness because of the amazing extension system. You can build extensions that turn Pi into a stock trader, software factory, anything. I tried switching to another harness but…

I've never used Pi but I don't see why you can't use stock codex or claude code for the same purpose, what makes Pi special? I've built plenty of custom harnesses on top of claude code and codex using custom skills or simple markdown instructions and subagents. Never had any issues or limitations with that approach.

I do agree that harnesses are going to extend AI capabilities a lot in the next year, but after reading Pi's page I don't see anything that makes it particularly special in terms of functionality, other than being more provider-agnostic.

Re: What Is a Harness?

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Post by theturtletalks »

oceansky wrote: post #5
theturtletalks wrote: post #3

Harnesses are the next frontier. If LLMs are electricity, harnesses are the “electronics.” Right now, it’s like an AC vs DC between Claude and ChatGPT, but once that settles, the harnesses will be the actual value providers. And Pi is the best harness because of the amazing extension system. You can build extensions that turn Pi into a stock trader, software factory, anything. I tried switching to another harness but…

I want to move from Claude Desktop to Pi, but I found it a little unfriendly. Any tips to set it up?

Pi doesn’t have a UI like Claude Desktop. It also doesn’t work with the Claude subscription, only API key and pricing.

So if you do want to use it, use the Codex sub. Once you install it, run Pi and /login and you’ll get login with ChatGPT. From there, Pi can tweak it’s settings if you ask. Check out their extensions (or ask Pi) and that will take you most of the way there.

What hiccups were you having?

Re: What Is a Harness?

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Post by Topfi »

theturtletalks wrote: post #3

Harnesses are the next frontier. If LLMs are electricity, harnesses are the “electronics.” Right now, it’s like an AC vs DC between Claude and ChatGPT, but once that settles, the harnesses will be the actual value providers. And Pi is the best harness because of the amazing extension system. You can build extensions that turn Pi into a stock trader, software factory, anything. I tried switching to another harness but…

Please tell me this is satire, it reads like straight from the depths of LinkedIn where a while loop is seen as the second coming…

Re: What Is a Harness?

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Post by theturtletalks »

cyanydeez wrote: post #6
theturtletalks wrote: post #3

Harnesses are the next frontier. If LLMs are electricity, harnesses are the “electronics.” Right now, it’s like an AC vs DC between Claude and ChatGPT, but once that settles, the harnesses will be the actual value providers. And Pi is the best harness because of the amazing extension system. You can build extensions that turn Pi into a stock trader, software factory, anything. I tried switching to another harness but…

what have you built other than a harness?

I built a software factory and am now building a stock trader using opencandle extension[0] and a custom extension. For inspiration for how to tweak Pi, check out OMP, Prime Intellect, and Deepseek harnesses.

0. https://github.com/Kahtaf/OpenCandle

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Post by hliyan »

theturtletalks wrote: post #3

Harnesses are the next frontier. If LLMs are electricity, harnesses are the “electronics.” Right now, it’s like an AC vs DC between Claude and ChatGPT, but once that settles, the harnesses will be the actual value providers. And Pi is the best harness because of the amazing extension system. You can build extensions that turn Pi into a stock trader, software factory, anything. I tried switching to another harness but…

Are human HN commenters now starting to speak in a dialect of Claudish?

Re: What Is a Harness?

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Post by amelius »

theturtletalks wrote: post #3

Harnesses are the next frontier. If LLMs are electricity, harnesses are the “electronics.” Right now, it’s like an AC vs DC between Claude and ChatGPT, but once that settles, the harnesses will be the actual value providers. And Pi is the best harness because of the amazing extension system. You can build extensions that turn Pi into a stock trader, software factory, anything. I tried switching to another harness but…

> If LLMs are electricity, harnesses are the “electronics.” (...) the harnesses will be the actual value providers.

Don't get ahead of yourself. Harnesses are not exactly rocket science and will be a commodity.

The real value providers here are the hardware, then the LLM as a distant second, and at a much larger distance the harness.

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