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Re: I Am a Gun Owner. Let’s Talk Gun Control.

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Post by pretoriusB » Sat, Dec 15, 2012, 3:23 PM UTC

kls wrote: post #9

pretoriusB wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Drugs are not an effective defense against an oppressive government. Guns are. Yes, if you live in 1700. In 2012, not so much. And especially not at all in the US, which is HUGE, segregated into states, and the government has the biggest military power in history. With a gun you're not even a match for the police, much less the government. Actually, you only get to have weapons because the government allows you too…

With a gun you're not even a match for the police, much less the government. pretoriusB, you have your position on this and I understand that, it's a hot topic, but from the sentence above it is apparent that you lack knowledge of tactical warfare. I would suggest you review the footage of the LA bank shootout, to get an idea of what two men with rudimentary tactical training can do. A well trained squad of 4 to 6 ca…

Sure, guerrilla warface can be very potent, but I don't realistically see not 10% but even 1/1000 of the US population resorting to it.

>That being said, there is still a need for the government to be balanced by fear of the people, Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia is not that far in the rear view mirror

Yes, but those are countries were the leaders were elected BY the people. I mean, Hitler was elected into office and had huge support even throughout the war, and the USSR come into being by a popular revolt, and it too had mass popular support, at least in the first years.

>and the evils that lurked in the hearts of those men is not confined to Europe, they walk among all nations and desire the same darkness.

True. After all it was the US that dropped 2 nuclear bombs on civillians, conducted medical experiments on unknowing people, had segregation and racism issues until at least the 70's and that has invaded more countries than any modern post-colonial western country. And it's one of the few western countries that still has the death penalty, I mean, what's with that?

Re: I Am a Gun Owner. Let’s Talk Gun Control.

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Post by bill_from_tampa » Sat, Dec 15, 2012, 3:47 PM UTC

This guy is a part of the problem. The 2nd amendment links the right to keep and bear arms with the need for a "well regulated militia". Congress and the courts have never actually enforced this linkage and indeed pretend that it doesn't exist -- which is the basis of our current problems with gun nuts insisting that the general population be heavily armed. This guy may never go nutso and shoot up a classroom (even though his paranoia about the "govenrment" seems to indicate some degree of mental illness) but some other deluded soul could use the weapon to kill innocents. As long as gun nuts run the government we are truly and thoroughly screwed. (just my humble opinion).

Re: I Am a Gun Owner. Let’s Talk Gun Control.

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Post by kls » Sat, Dec 15, 2012, 6:56 PM UTC

bill_from_tampa wrote: post #12

This guy is a part of the problem. The 2nd amendment links the right to keep and bear arms with the need for a "well regulated militia". Congress and the courts have never actually enforced this linkage and indeed pretend that it doesn't exist -- which is the basis of our current problems with gun nuts insisting that the general population be heavily armed. This guy may never go nutso and shoot up a classroom (even t…

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I really don't understand why people have such a hard time with this, when it has been gone over so much. Regulated from the latin origin regula or to supply. So well regulated is well supplied. So the founding father where saying that a well supplied militia is necessary to the security of a free state therefore arms are not to be infringed to guarantee a well supply. It has nothing to do with regulation, AKA a governed group of militia people, but people try to contort regulated with regulation all the time to make the second amendment fit their desires for it to read how they want it to.