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Amazon backs power plant that may become top source of US climate pollution

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Re: Amazon backs power plant that may become top source of US climate pollution

#11

This is so unacceptable. Build as many data centers as you want, but fossil fuels NEED to stop yesterday.

Imagine that you need to explain to a type II alien that your species still burns things.

I think they'd give you some leeway if you fired up gas plants to not freeze in the winter, I want to see their faces when you tell them you turned them on because you wanted to generate more digital slop during a climate crisis

Re: Amazon backs power plant that may become top source of US climate pollution

#12

This is so unacceptable. Build as many data centers as you want, but fossil fuels NEED to stop yesterday.

Imagine that you need to explain to a type II alien that your species still burns things.

The harder thing would be to explain why your species continues to get energy by burning things despite having multiple alternatives and that many people are deeply ideologically opposed to moving away from burning things.

Or maybe not. Maybe this is a civilizational growing pain these aliens are familiar with. Maybe they went through the same period themselves.

Re: Amazon backs power plant that may become top source of US climate pollution

#13

I wish there was a source of energy that has 100-1000x energy density compare to other sources and it is controllable so capacity factory is close to 100. Ohh wait.

Amazon is also investing in nuclear power for data centers: https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/articles/amazon-updates-s... However, building new nuclear reactors is a slow process. These reactors aren't expected to be built before the 2030s. China is currently the fastest at bringing new reactors online. Even there it takes 6-7 years from construction start to commercial power generation, e.g. https://www.world-nucl…

Yeah they are betting on everything at this stage.

Re: Amazon backs power plant that may become top source of US climate pollution

#16

It seems strange for this article to word this as a new or unusual source of pollution, natural gas is the primary source of energy in the US, adding 10% to existing thermal fleet in ERCOT https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards is not a huge deal and its disingenuous to say this one plant will become a "top source of US pollution". Solar generation buildout in ERCOT is also proceeding very quickly, the new Tesl…

It's also, as the article points out later, a permitted cap, not an emissions estimate. New plants generally have permitted caps far higher than their expected emissions.

Re: Amazon backs power plant that may become top source of US climate pollution

#18

If only we had the technology and ability to produce enormous quantities of energy non-stop 24/7 365, no matter day or night wind or no wind.

BUT NUKES!

All jokes aside, yes, we should invest massively in nuclear.

Re: Amazon backs power plant that may become top source of US climate pollution

#19
post #14

This is so unacceptable. Build as many data centers as you want, but fossil fuels NEED to stop yesterday.

This is, putting it gently, not a majority opinion in the US and especially not in Texas.

In the same way “smoking causes cancer” was a minority opinion in the 50s and 60s.

Re: Amazon backs power plant that may become top source of US climate pollution

#20
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is, putting it gently, not a majority opinion in the US and especially not in Texas.

In the same way “smoking causes cancer” was a minority opinion in the 50s and 60s.

You hope. People who believe things you disagree with say the same thing about their beliefs!

(I think the way through this mess is huge investment in renewables, and that blue states have calamitously dropped the ball by pushing so much data center construction to red states that aren't going to incentivize that.)

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