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Re: Force-Fed by ICE

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Post by mindslight »

Larrikin wrote: post #4
culi wrote: post #3

I think every American should also read the ACLU's report ( Resistance, Retaliation, Repression: Two Years in California Immigration Detention ). https://www.aclunorcal.org/publications/resistance-retaliati... Some of the issues it highlighted: - forced labor in order to afford to eat. The $1/day "Voluntary Work Program" is the only way to get enough food to live. And if you refuse to work or try to protest, ICE does…

There was no actual punishment to the slave owners and they've ingrained their grievances about having to work into every generation since. If there's no punishment coming it will just continue the cycle of racists wanting to be lazy but reap all the rewards because of their skin color.

It's even worse than you say. When that jig was up, slave owners (ie the upper class) moved on to new oppressive dynamics. Their grievances were ingrained into people in the lower classes, who now readily imagine themselves in the upper class position as the real upper class has moved on to other things.

Re: Force-Fed by ICE

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Post by stoptheinsanity »

freediddy wrote: post #7

I'm actually confused as to what the policy should be. Should ICE or whomever else just like the people on hunger strikes die? Or should they continue force-feeding the people on hunger strikes? Neither seem like a good solution but I don't know what the alternatives are, besides giving in to the hunger strikers, which is most likely never going to happen otherwise everyone would hunger strike to get whatever they wa…

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Re: Force-Fed by ICE

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Post by twister2920 »

stoptheinsanity wrote: post #12
freediddy wrote: post #7

I'm actually confused as to what the policy should be. Should ICE or whomever else just like the people on hunger strikes die? Or should they continue force-feeding the people on hunger strikes? Neither seem like a good solution but I don't know what the alternatives are, besides giving in to the hunger strikers, which is most likely never going to happen otherwise everyone would hunger strike to get whatever they wa…

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what an absolutely barbaric comment.

Re: Force-Fed by ICE

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Post by daveidol »

Larrikin wrote: post #4
culi wrote: post #3

I think every American should also read the ACLU's report ( Resistance, Retaliation, Repression: Two Years in California Immigration Detention ). https://www.aclunorcal.org/publications/resistance-retaliati... Some of the issues it highlighted: - forced labor in order to afford to eat. The $1/day "Voluntary Work Program" is the only way to get enough food to live. And if you refuse to work or try to protest, ICE does…

There was no actual punishment to the slave owners and they've ingrained their grievances about having to work into every generation since. If there's no punishment coming it will just continue the cycle of racists wanting to be lazy but reap all the rewards because of their skin color.

I don't see the relation here, to be honest. How is immigration enforcement about racists wanting to be lazy?

The people paying illegal immigrants minimal wages under the table are far more analogous to slave owners in my mind.

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stoptheinsanity wrote: post #12
freediddy wrote: post #7

I'm actually confused as to what the policy should be. Should ICE or whomever else just like the people on hunger strikes die? Or should they continue force-feeding the people on hunger strikes? Neither seem like a good solution but I don't know what the alternatives are, besides giving in to the hunger strikers, which is most likely never going to happen otherwise everyone would hunger strike to get whatever they wa…

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Re: Force-Fed by ICE

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Post by Larrikin »

daveidol wrote: post #14
Larrikin wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was no actual punishment to the slave owners and they've ingrained their grievances about having to work into every generation since. If there's no punishment coming it will just continue the cycle of racists wanting to be lazy but reap all the rewards because of their skin color.

I don't see the relation here, to be honest. How is immigration enforcement about racists wanting to be lazy? The people paying illegal immigrants minimal wages under the table are far more analogous to slave owners in my mind.

ICE enforcement was almost completely stopped at the very beginning of this administration in all rural farm areas.

Re: Force-Fed by ICE

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Post by krunck »

> But as Choli’s hunger strike went on, it threatened his health and also, in the government’s opinion, posed “a serious threat to the security and good order” of the facility, ICE argued in court filings.

They call it "order". It's all about control. It always is. The Trumps, the Zuckerbergs, the ICE stooges. Their lives are about controlling others.

Re: Force-Fed by ICE

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Post by globalnode »

inigyou wrote: post #5
Larrikin wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was no actual punishment to the slave owners and they've ingrained their grievances about having to work into every generation since. If there's no punishment coming it will just continue the cycle of racists wanting to be lazy but reap all the rewards because of their skin color.

Same thing in Germany.

whenever i hear someone bad mouthing the germans about ww2 i wonder why living in a pity party becomes part of some peoples identity.. like they thrive on those feelings and have to reach hard to generate more of it.
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