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Is it all just vapourware?

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Re: Is it all just vapourware?

#11
"The hard part of software engineering was never writing the code."

Again, are we still on this ridiculous concept. I stopped reading at that sentence.

Is that going to be the revisionist future that the industry tells itself - ""one day, LLMs came along and suddenly computers could program themselves, and it was an absolute revolution, but it made no difference at all to anything because "The hard part of software engineering was never writing the code." so people stopped using LLMs because of that. And that's how LLM's came to an end after being a short trend.""

Re: Is it all just vapourware?

#12
I find it hard to buy this generalization about _all_ "AI"/agent software when the author has only provided _one_ example. A couple alternatives could've been explored, like Cursor Cloud Agents or even just running Claude Code with remote control on another machine. I'd also personally never spend a dime on any product unless I've read _some_ positive sentiment from online commentary, like Hacker News. To my point, Ona appears to have a pretty low amount of feedback that makes it difficult to justify any $20 bills: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=ona.com

Re: Is it all just vapourware?

#13
It’s starting to resemble a pyramid scheme with Nvidia at the top, OpenAI & Anthropic beneath.

That Nvidia finances a lot of this should give anyone with a clue on finance pause, that it doesn’t tells you you’re in the middle of a bubble.

Re: Is it all just vapourware?

#14
I wonder if there is cargo culting afoot

There are definitely guys in some companies just pointing an agent swarm at 50 Github tickets and saying "go get 'em boys" and hence need a lot of orchestration tools but for the rest of us do we really need the AI to do all the build steps and the testing steps... or do we just need the new feature that runs when the button is clicked and then we can check it out in the browser ourselves. The code gen is what I need the AI for, not the 'smoke tests' and the tsc finagling. I'm willing to spend some mental calories myself in figuring this feature out step by step

Actually this makes me wonder if some people are just not very into building step by step like "okay first let's check the JSON shape the endpoint returns", "okay now let's make a simple form", etc

Re: Is it all just vapourware?

#15
> I was optimistic, but once I had it wired up to one of my projects, instead of making magical hands-off progress on my todo list it spent nearly my entire $20 worth of “ona compute units”, whatever those are, thrashing and trying to get a hold of the todos from linear just so it could pick one to start.

This is one of the reasons that I've simply not bothered with a lot of these types of AI products. It feels like gambling. Maybe I'll spend $20 on tokens and end up with something awesome. Or maybe I'll spend $20 on tokens and end up with nothing useful and then I'll be glad it was only $20 I lost.

Re: Is it all just vapourware?

#16
> But so far most of what they do is make more annoying work for me. More integrations to debug, more auth tokens to refresh, more bills to keep track of, more meandering and drawn out descriptions of non-bugs with bogus fix suggestions and misinformed “root cause” analyses. It’s tiresome.

God this times 1000. I'm so sick of having AI chase a bug and having to lead it by the hand like a toddler to try and help me solve bugs. The difference is, a toddler learns when you explain. An LLM holds your responses in context and uses them to generate more authentic sounding garbage, but next session, foomf, the lesson is unlearned again.

I had a tiny problem with prerendering not working on a react site last night, I must have spent close to an hour running commands it asked me to run like a moron, verifying dumb things I had already checked like "did the file actually upload to ftp" or had I restarted Apache or was there some magic htaccess file somewhere. Eventually I just gave up on Claude and tried some different paths in Apache virtual host settings and it worked.

Of course if I went back to Claude and reported that, as would be my instinct with a human, it would confidently explain why that was the bug, why it couldn't spot the issue, and how smart I am for finding it. And then it would forget everything tomorrow

Re: Is it all just vapourware?

#18
post #6

When this article talks about ONA it means https://ona.com/ - a cloud agent service that was acquired by OpenAI a couple of months ago. (I wouldn't suggest basing my evaluation of the entire field of coding agents around that particular product.)

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What the heck? What product was I advertising here?
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