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Re: The teenage hitmen recruited to kill across Europe

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Post by alephnerd » Sun, Aug 02, 2026, 4:02 AM UTC

jeswin wrote: post #9

The underlying problem in most cases (of youth violence across the world) is drug addiction. I recently spoke to someone who had to quit an overseas job and return home because his teenage son had started engaging in criminality, after a drug addiction problem at school. He was telling me how widespread the problem is, and how accessible drugs are to kids via online channels.

In this specific case, the gang would not have existed if Sweden had stricter asylum laws and background checks in the 1980s-90s.

Much of the Foxtrot Gang is associated with the PUK as much of the Kurdish community in Scandinavia is Sorani (Kirkuk-Sulaymaniyah-Kermanshah)

Re: The teenage hitmen recruited to kill across Europe

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Post by mx7zysuj4xew » Sun, Aug 02, 2026, 4:06 AM UTC

jeswin wrote: post #9

The underlying problem in most cases (of youth violence across the world) is drug addiction. I recently spoke to someone who had to quit an overseas job and return home because his teenage son had started engaging in criminality, after a drug addiction problem at school. He was telling me how widespread the problem is, and how accessible drugs are to kids via online channels.

You mean drug prohibition

Re: The teenage hitmen recruited to kill across Europe

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Post by turgidpost » Sun, Aug 02, 2026, 4:07 AM UTC

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Re: The teenage hitmen recruited to kill across Europe

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Post by UltraSane » Sun, Aug 02, 2026, 4:07 AM UTC

alephnerd wrote: post #11

jeswin wrote: post #9

The underlying problem in most cases (of youth violence across the world) is drug addiction. I recently spoke to someone who had to quit an overseas job and return home because his teenage son had started engaging in criminality, after a drug addiction problem at school. He was telling me how widespread the problem is, and how accessible drugs are to kids via online channels.

In this specific case, the gang would not have existed if Sweden had stricter asylum laws and background checks in the 1980s-90s. Much of the Foxtrot Gang is associated with the PUK as much of the Kurdish community in Scandinavia is Sorani (Kirkuk-Sulaymaniyah-Kermanshah)

It is strange that Sweden thought it was too peaceful and decided to import violent crime

Re: The teenage hitmen recruited to kill across Europe

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Post by jeswin » Sun, Aug 02, 2026, 4:13 AM UTC

mx7zysuj4xew wrote: post #12

jeswin wrote: post #9

The underlying problem in most cases (of youth violence across the world) is drug addiction. I recently spoke to someone who had to quit an overseas job and return home because his teenage son had started engaging in criminality, after a drug addiction problem at school. He was telling me how widespread the problem is, and how accessible drugs are to kids via online channels.

You mean drug prohibition

No. I mean synthetic drug addiction. I know where you're going with this, and I once supported what you're saying; but there's enough evidence now (with addictive substances) to say that accessibility is going to make things worse.

Re: The teenage hitmen recruited to kill across Europe

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Post by defrost » Sun, Aug 02, 2026, 4:13 AM UTC

UltraSane wrote: post #14

alephnerd wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this specific case, the gang would not have existed if Sweden had stricter asylum laws and background checks in the 1980s-90s. Much of the Foxtrot Gang is associated with the PUK as much of the Kurdish community in Scandinavia is Sorani (Kirkuk-Sulaymaniyah-Kermanshah)

It is strange that Sweden thought it was too peaceful and decided to import violent crime

Possibly to balance being one of the world's largest arms exporters?

Re: The teenage hitmen recruited to kill across Europe

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Post by alephnerd » Sun, Aug 02, 2026, 4:14 AM UTC

UltraSane wrote: post #14

alephnerd wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this specific case, the gang would not have existed if Sweden had stricter asylum laws and background checks in the 1980s-90s. Much of the Foxtrot Gang is associated with the PUK as much of the Kurdish community in Scandinavia is Sorani (Kirkuk-Sulaymaniyah-Kermanshah)

It is strange that Sweden thought it was too peaceful and decided to import violent crime

There's nothing wrong with asylum or immigration as long as it's also paired with vetting.

The issue is, vetting is hard and most countries suck at doing background checks due to a lack of staff.

Re: The teenage hitmen recruited to kill across Europe

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Post by UltraSane » Sun, Aug 02, 2026, 4:18 AM UTC

alephnerd wrote: post #17

UltraSane wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is strange that Sweden thought it was too peaceful and decided to import violent crime

There's nothing wrong with asylum or immigration as long as it's also paired with vetting. The issue is, vetting is hard and most countries suck at doing background checks due to a lack of staff.

It doesn't help if the decision to grant asylum becomes effectively irreversible.

Re: The teenage hitmen recruited to kill across Europe

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Post by rvz » Sun, Aug 02, 2026, 4:19 AM UTC

al_borland wrote: post #8

> violence-as-a-service (VaaS) This being used unironically makes me sad.

This is a social problem and technology cannot solve this one.

If you don't solve what comes after the so-called "abundance", "UBI (doesn't work)", "utopia", "AGI" that is religiously being talked about here, it will unfortunately be paved with VaaS (violence-as-a-service).

It is a road we don't want to go down, but there are places on the internet where this is celebrated and getting normalized, ever since the UnitedHealth executive got Luigi'd.

Re: The teenage hitmen recruited to kill across Europe

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Post by encom » Sun, Aug 02, 2026, 4:20 AM UTC

UltraSane wrote: post #14

alephnerd wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this specific case, the gang would not have existed if Sweden had stricter asylum laws and background checks in the 1980s-90s. Much of the Foxtrot Gang is associated with the PUK as much of the Kurdish community in Scandinavia is Sorani (Kirkuk-Sulaymaniyah-Kermanshah)

It is strange that Sweden thought it was too peaceful and decided to import violent crime

Many such cases.

Denmark has no more room in its prisons. Opinions are shifting away from importing infinity third world migrants, and news media is now allowed to talk about it, but not enough to meaningfully shift votes in the last election, so it's going to be more of this for the forseeable future.