Well, this can be interpreted as a reason to give up, but if it has any marginal improvement it can also be taken as a reason to try harder.
Imo it’s actually good to run large experiments like these.
Most Australian teens still on social media despite landmark ban
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Re: Most Australian teens still on social media despite landmark ban
#12I've said in several threads not to try to ban teens. All it takes is one of them to figure out bypasses. They and all their friends will bypass restrictions and they will teach them to small children. Perhaps this was intentional. Something closer to an effective methodology would be to pick a date in the future and require small children that would be ages 0 through 9 on that date to have child accounts on their de…
Shift the burden to the multibillion-dollar transnational tech companies. If an Aussie child is found to have an account, they get hit with a fine. If it’s still up thirty days later, another fine. Something tells me they’ll figure it out. This leaves a hole for social media in unresponsive jurisdictions. But for the major American and Chinese companies—the current worst offenders when it comes to harming kids for pr…
How would you police that? It's one thing to get people to answer anonymous surveys, but another to determine that a household had a unregistered and underage user.
According to a brief search, the main mechanisms of circumventing the law seem to be vpns, false identities, and moving to platforms currently out of scope for the legislation like Discord and ironically Roblox, given its reputation.
As side notes, the Australian legislation does include fines.
Also, the e-safety report for the titular claim includes usage of social media platforms not prohibited by the legislation.
Re: Most Australian teens still on social media despite landmark ban
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Shift the burden to the multibillion-dollar transnational tech companies. If an Aussie child is found to have an account, they get hit with a fine. If it’s still up thirty days later, another fine. Something tells me they’ll figure it out. This leaves a hole for social media in unresponsive jurisdictions. But for the major American and Chinese companies—the current worst offenders when it comes to harming kids for pr…
How would you police that? It's one thing to get people to answer anonymous surveys, but another to determine that a household had a unregistered and underage user. According to a brief search, the main mechanisms of circumventing the law seem to be vpns, false identities, and moving to platforms currently out of scope for the legislation like Discord and ironically Roblox, given its reputation. As side notes, the Au…
How would you police that?
Well for starters you would not. Not the internet police anyway.
It is up to the parent to decide when their child is mature enough for mature content. If a police officer gets called to a situation they ask if the minor should be on the internet. Parent answers yes or no. If there is some manor of legal fallout as a result of them being online then it is just like we handle it today. If law enforcement get called they do their job and investigate what happened and gather details. Law enforcement have already arrested countless numbers of Reddit moderators, predators and all manor of other unstable people. The body-cam videos are great. If required they call in social services to interview the parents and children. This has already existed for some time. The internet does not require anything new. If the parents are facilitating a child using the internet when they are clearly not ready then the parents could be fined, have their children taken away, arrested, etc... depending on the circumstances and number of repeat incidents. The courts can handle family issues like they always have. If the child is being bullied the court can issue a restraining order. If a groomer is stalking the child the police can meet up with the groomer.
As for Discord they will likely be left alone just like 4chan as it is a great place to log what everyone is saying both text and even better, silently transcribed voice.
Re: Most Australian teens still on social media despite landmark ban
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
How would you police that? It's one thing to get people to answer anonymous surveys, but another to determine that a household had a unregistered and underage user. According to a brief search, the main mechanisms of circumventing the law seem to be vpns, false identities, and moving to platforms currently out of scope for the legislation like Discord and ironically Roblox, given its reputation. As side notes, the Au…
How would you police that? Well for starters you would not. Not the internet police anyway. It is up to the parent to decide when their child is mature enough for mature content. If a police officer gets called to a situation they ask if the minor should be on the internet. Parent answers yes or no. If there is some manor of legal fallout as a result of them being online then it is just like we handle it today. If la…
Are you clarifying the position of jumpcrisscross, or outlining an entirely different counter proposal here?
It seems significantly different in scope, intent, and impact.
Re: Most Australian teens still on social media despite landmark ban
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
How would you police that? Well for starters you would not. Not the internet police anyway. It is up to the parent to decide when their child is mature enough for mature content. If a police officer gets called to a situation they ask if the minor should be on the internet. Parent answers yes or no. If there is some manor of legal fallout as a result of them being online then it is just like we handle it today. If la…
Are you clarifying the position of jumpcrisscross, or outlining an entirely different counter proposal here? It seems significantly different in scope, intent, and impact.
Oh I thought you were replying to me. Thus far everything I have said in the thread I have been consistent on for years. I predicted most of the direction this has gone thus far I think. [1]
Even if we don't get it right this go around, when the planet is destroyed by Vogons and rebuilt we can do it right in version 2.
[1] - https://nochan.net/b/Internet-Crap/20230829-Think-Of-The-Chi...
Re: Most Australian teens still on social media despite landmark ban
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
How would you police that? It's one thing to get people to answer anonymous surveys, but another to determine that a household had a unregistered and underage user. According to a brief search, the main mechanisms of circumventing the law seem to be vpns, false identities, and moving to platforms currently out of scope for the legislation like Discord and ironically Roblox, given its reputation. As side notes, the Au…
How would you police that? Well for starters you would not. Not the internet police anyway. It is up to the parent to decide when their child is mature enough for mature content. If a police officer gets called to a situation they ask if the minor should be on the internet. Parent answers yes or no. If there is some manor of legal fallout as a result of them being online then it is just like we handle it today. If la…
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
> which corporations would have to inflict on everyone to enforce children/teens not be on social media Everyone on social media. (I hate the proposals that punt this to literally everyone by doing anything on device.) Also, this is solved with a two-way fine: one for kids being on, one for retaining age-verification data. > Creating a wall for children with no path forward Kids do fine with age gates around cigarett…
cigarettes and booze That comes up a lot in these debates. You and I know full well that it is not even remotely the same. I show an ID to a clerk and that is where that ID ended. The only thing that clerk has to protect themselves from is an undercover cop sending in a minor to by cigarettes or booze. There's no centralized system correlating my cash purchase at the liquor store and other stores around town. That's…
> You and I know full well that it is not even remotely the same. I show an ID to a clerk and that is where that ID ended
Some scan IDs into god knows what. It’s not required. But if consumers don’t push back, it happens.
Again, just make the law require destruction with the teeth of severe fines. This is highly solvable.
Re: Most Australian teens still on social media despite landmark ban
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Shift the burden to the multibillion-dollar transnational tech companies. If an Aussie child is found to have an account, they get hit with a fine. If it’s still up thirty days later, another fine. Something tells me they’ll figure it out. This leaves a hole for social media in unresponsive jurisdictions. But for the major American and Chinese companies—the current worst offenders when it comes to harming kids for pr…
How would you police that? It's one thing to get people to answer anonymous surveys, but another to determine that a household had a unregistered and underage user. According to a brief search, the main mechanisms of circumventing the law seem to be vpns, false identities, and moving to platforms currently out of scope for the legislation like Discord and ironically Roblox, given its reputation. As side notes, the Au…
> How would you police that?
Same way one does most crimes. Start with complaints. Parents reporting their kids being taken advantage of is a precedented responsibility. After that, let the fourth estate and concerned citizens screenshot offending accounts. (Or hell, give kids an incentive to self report.)
Re: Most Australian teens still on social media despite landmark ban
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
How would you police that? It's one thing to get people to answer anonymous surveys, but another to determine that a household had a unregistered and underage user. According to a brief search, the main mechanisms of circumventing the law seem to be vpns, false identities, and moving to platforms currently out of scope for the legislation like Discord and ironically Roblox, given its reputation. As side notes, the Au…
> How would you police that? Same way one does most crimes. Start with complaints. Parents reporting their kids being taken advantage of is a precedented responsibility. After that, let the fourth estate and concerned citizens screenshot offending accounts. (Or hell, give kids an incentive to self report.)
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