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Why Do We Tolerate Elon Musk's Racist Commentary?

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Re: Why Do We Tolerate Elon Musk's Racist Commentary?

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His rhetoric is pretty clear-cut and unambiguous. > you’re gonna have to explain the diversity of the workforce of their companies Why? That has nothing to do with whether or not he's racist. But if you want an answer, he would take an enormous legal risk if he engaged in racist hiring policies too much, regardless of his personal worldview.

> His rhetoric is pretty clear-cut and unambiguous. Can you substantiate by giving maybe 2 quotes from him that are unambiguously racist. > Why? That has nothing to do with whether or not he's racist. But if you want an answer, he would take an enormous legal risk if he engaged in racist hiring policies too much, regardless of his personal worldview. But what about the employees themselves? You're claiming that he is…

My point is that his worldview could not be more obvious to me, just from hearing what he says, seeing what other messages he approves of, and seeing what he does. If you have a different opinion, that's fair. I'm expressing mine.

That many people are willing to work for companies they have ethical disagreements with is not a new or surprising thing. The reasons are varied, but typically boil down to money or working on something they are particularly interested in. Different people make different tradeoffs.

> what about the people who associate with him very closely, like e.g. Jensen Huang or Antonio Gracias who is a close friend of his, a board member of SpaceX, and a trusted financial confidant?

What about them? This phenomenon is also nothing new. It goes back as far as we can see. Again, the reasons are varied. Sometimes even self-serving.

That some people are willing to work for him or associate with him isn't evidence for or against his being racist any more than "having a black friend" means you're not racist against blacks.

Re: Why Do We Tolerate Elon Musk's Racist Commentary?

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> His rhetoric is pretty clear-cut and unambiguous. Can you substantiate by giving maybe 2 quotes from him that are unambiguously racist. > Why? That has nothing to do with whether or not he's racist. But if you want an answer, he would take an enormous legal risk if he engaged in racist hiring policies too much, regardless of his personal worldview. But what about the employees themselves? You're claiming that he is…

My point is that his worldview could not be more obvious to me, just from hearing what he says, seeing what other messages he approves of, and seeing what he does. If you have a different opinion, that's fair. I'm expressing mine. That many people are willing to work for companies they have ethical disagreements with is not a new or surprising thing. The reasons are varied, but typically boil down to money or working…

Thanks. I’m glad we can talk about it.

Re: Why Do We Tolerate Elon Musk's Racist Commentary?

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It's very clear cut. He's a white supremacist. He believes in the myth of a white genocide. That's a white supremacist myth. "I fathered children with a woman who's half Asian" is Elon's special version of "some of my best friends are..."

As for workforce diversity his employees sued him over racism.

Re: Why Do We Tolerate Elon Musk's Racist Commentary?

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It's very clear cut. He's a white supremacist. He believes in the myth of a white genocide. That's a white supremacist myth. "I fathered children with a woman who's half Asian" is Elon's special version of "some of my best friends are..." As for workforce diversity his employees sued him over racism.

> He believes in the myth of a white genocide.

That's twisting the actual thing he said, which is different, and which was: that a major political party in South Africa, Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF), is actively promoting genocide of white South Africans, because its leader, Julius Malema, chants "Kill the Boer" at his rallies.

Watch Malema chant it and judge for yourself: 0:23mins in https://www.facebook.com/TimesLIVE/videos/watch-in-closing-j...

"Boer" / farmer refers to South Africans of Dutch descent.

I should point out that this is more than 30 years since Apartment has ended and the country has had black majority rule AND democratic, inclusive elections since 1994.

I think it is pretty vile, dangerous, and counts as hate speech in my books.

What do you think?

Re: Why Do We Tolerate Elon Musk's Racist Commentary?

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It's very clear cut. He's a white supremacist. He believes in the myth of a white genocide. That's a white supremacist myth. "I fathered children with a woman who's half Asian" is Elon's special version of "some of my best friends are..." As for workforce diversity his employees sued him over racism.

> He believes in the myth of a white genocide. That's twisting the actual thing he said, which is different, and which was: that a major political party in South Africa, Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF), is actively promoting genocide of white South Africans, because its leader, Julius Malema, chants "Kill the Boer" at his rallies. Watch Malema chant it and judge for yourself: 0:23mins in https://www.facebook.com/Time…

I think you think Elon's paranoid delusions justify your own similar delusions.
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