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All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

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Re: All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would suspect during pre-training. Even before RLHF was a thing models exhibited this bias. My bet is that it has to do with the training data corpora being composed in large part of left leaning content, maybe from social media platforms like reddit.

Is it possible that facts and reality lean left? It's not a mathematical equation, there is no requirement for the average to be zero.

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Re: All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

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and now in typical authoritarian-right fashion, they will attempt to inject the llm's with auth-right propaganda to influence the models. The natural state of things is lib-left. Those with power try to bend reality to their desires. See: Musk and Twitter, Bezos and WaPo. The entirety of Sinclair Broadcasting. Ellison and Colbert Show. Or any propaganda ministry from the last 100 years

Re: All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

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post #5

I wonder what they did to Grok. The bimodal distribution makes me think it was just a system prompt and not a completely different set of right-wing training data. A 4chan trained LLM would probably actually be auth right.

So is auth right alt-right with authority?

Re: All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

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The problem with LLM training is that it's driven by the ability to predict the next token in a large corpus of text, and the correlation between text and reality diverges as the phenomenon that the text pertains to expands in scale.

When you're looking at text that deals with small-scale phenomena like coding, next token prediction also leads to functionality prediction, because coding provides immediate feedback to those who are writing about it, so they generally provide correct commentary on it.

But the feedback loop between outcome and prediction totally breaks down when the phenomenon is very large and complex. People can have all sorts of ideas about religion and society and economics that are totally wrong and never grow any wiser because there is no obvious causal chain between one policy or action and one outcome in these kind of phenomenon.

Re: All major LLMs are lib-left. Even Grok, half the time

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Reality has a left wing bias. That's a quote from something. Not sure I agree necessarily, but a plausible explanation.

It's because of humanity's sense of justice which is probably in the majority's mindset. Can't back it up with data or research but I think the majority of any population would vote for measures like e.g. reducing the wealth gap. Hence "reality has a left wing bias".
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