Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Fourth Circuit: Border Agents Can Search Your Phone by Hand, No Suspicion Needed

eff.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

11–17 of 17 posts

Re: Fourth Circuit: Border Agents Can Search Your Phone by Hand, No Suspicion Needed

#11

Post by echoangle »

Cider9986 wrote: post #9
echoangle wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don’t get why there’s no way to set up a second pin that unlocks the phone but hides sensitive apps and data.

They don't want to implement something that's only effective against low-level attackers because it would give their users a false sense of security and wouldn't be robust for situations involving any mid-level or advanced attacker. It would also be quickly documented so low-level attackers would be able to find out about it easily once it became common knowledge. There's a lot of discussion about it you can search "…

You could allow the user to define an arbitrary number of pins with and allow the user to select which app to show for each. Then you could never know if you got everything if you want to check the phone.

Re: Fourth Circuit: Border Agents Can Search Your Phone by Hand, No Suspicion Needed

#12

Post by lokar »

advisedwang wrote: post #4
Cider9986 wrote: post #3

You deserve a secure device: https://grapheneos.org

That doesn't help for the kind of search happening here. If the traveler refuse to give the agent the access demanded, they would be denied entry. We need courts to protect the privacy so that you have the right to say no.

Unless you have a US passport

Re: Fourth Circuit: Border Agents Can Search Your Phone by Hand, No Suspicion Needed

#13

Post by Cider9986 »

echoangle wrote: post #11
Cider9986 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't want to implement something that's only effective against low-level attackers because it would give their users a false sense of security and wouldn't be robust for situations involving any mid-level or advanced attacker. It would also be quickly documented so low-level attackers would be able to find out about it easily once it became common knowledge. There's a lot of discussion about it you can search "…

You could allow the user to define an arbitrary number of pins with and allow the user to select which app to show for each. Then you could never know if you got everything if you want to check the phone.

Suggest it on the issus tracker if you think you have a good idea. The thing you have to understand is that it will always leave a forensic trace that can be detected on the SSD.

Re: Fourth Circuit: Border Agents Can Search Your Phone by Hand, No Suspicion Needed

#17

Post by metalman »

wtf? anybody ever heard of an sd card? usb drive? not that I personaly care, as my devices remain password free, unencripted, and here take the fucking thing, keep it, as I figure that worse comes to worse there is a way to bootstrap from nothing. then there is the little detail of my phone forcing a "security update", AND forcing a restart, which is absolute proof that I am not liable for anything on any device under any circumstances ever. The simple reality is that basic rights and freedoms of citizenship and the laws to protect that are gone, and we are all bieng treated as chattle by default with performative actions bieng taken in only the most extream and public cases of overt and wonton abuse.
Post reply on HN