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25-GPU cluster cracks every standard Windows password in less than 6 hours

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Re: 25-GPU cluster cracks every standard Windows password in less than 6 hours

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Every standard Windows password less than 8 chars only?

I know for practical purposes this doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but you have to understand that 8 chars of mixed case, numbers, and symbols is still a gigantic key space. That this can be done so quickly on commodity hardware is pretty impressive.

Re: 25-GPU cluster cracks every standard Windows password in less than 6 hours

#14

Every standard Windows password less than 8 chars only?

I know for practical purposes this doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but you have to understand that 8 chars of mixed case, numbers, and symbols is still a gigantic key space. That this can be done so quickly on commodity hardware is pretty impressive.

Individual char variance is less significant compared to additional chars.

Look at the xkcd password entropy comic

Re: 25-GPU cluster cracks every standard Windows password in less than 6 hours

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know for practical purposes this doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but you have to understand that 8 chars of mixed case, numbers, and symbols is still a gigantic key space. That this can be done so quickly on commodity hardware is pretty impressive.

Individual char variance is less significant compared to additional chars. Look at the xkcd password entropy comic

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with here. Are you saying that 9-characters translates to a significantly larger than key space than 8 characters? Well, yeah -- of course. My point is that this is still a noteworthy feat.

Re: 25-GPU cluster cracks every standard Windows password in less than 6 hours

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I'm sure they were able to crack the encryption method before Microsoft started using it.

Put your tin foil hats away. This doesn't "crack" NTLM, it brute forces at a very high rate. The NSA has more money to spend, but are similarly limited by the hardware available at any given point.

The NSA has access to their own chip fabrication facilities. I do not know if they own their own plant, or just have secure fab space at some other company's plant.

So they could have easily fabbed something like this, or a tuned architecture specifically designed for the purpose.

Re: 25-GPU cluster cracks every standard Windows password in less than 6 hours

#17
I remember back when I was doing a network engineering course the guys could crack a windows password in minutes offline, simple matter of grabbing the database from the machine. I think once you have the machine offline unless you encrypt the data your pretty screwed regardless..

Re: 25-GPU cluster cracks every standard Windows password in less than 6 hours

#18

Impressive as the numbers are, it's worth remembering that this is an "offline crack", going against a stolen list of encrypted passwords. If they can steal your database of encrypted passwords, you've got a problem no matter how strong the passwords are. How many guesses per second do you get in a typical online crack? E.g., a script kiddie trying to guess your cloud server's SSH password?

On my webserver, you get 3 chances and then a 24 hour ip ban. I think that comes out to 0.00003 passwords per second :)

The particularly persistent IPs get a special iptables rule.

Re: 25-GPU cluster cracks every standard Windows password in less than 6 hours

#19

Impressive as the numbers are, it's worth remembering that this is an "offline crack", going against a stolen list of encrypted passwords. If they can steal your database of encrypted passwords, you've got a problem no matter how strong the passwords are. How many guesses per second do you get in a typical online crack? E.g., a script kiddie trying to guess your cloud server's SSH password?

On my webserver, you get 3 chances and then a 24 hour ip ban. I think that comes out to 0.00003 passwords per second :) The particularly persistent IPs get a special iptables rule.

Could you share the details of the implementation please?

Re: 25-GPU cluster cracks every standard Windows password in less than 6 hours

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On my webserver, you get 3 chances and then a 24 hour ip ban. I think that comes out to 0.00003 passwords per second :) The particularly persistent IPs get a special iptables rule.

Could you share the details of the implementation please?

Not much implementation actually. Fail2ban does all the hard work, and then if I get too many emails reporting the same IP I go in and manually permaban the offending IP (doesn't happen often).
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