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Notable Knot Index (2016)

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Re: Notable Knot Index (2016)

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You would be surprised. New useful knots are still being found. E.g. The Zeppelin bend is exceptionally good and was invented in the 60s. The icicle hitch is from the 90s. Some fishing knots are less than 20 years old.

> The Zeppelin bend is exceptionally good and was invented in the 60s. I'm not so sure about that. The history of the Zeppelin bend is incredibly contentious and apocryphal.

Can we at least agree that it does not appear in ABOK when it was published in the 40s?

Re: Notable Knot Index (2016)

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Agree with the other commenter - this is very charming! I find it a wonderfully romantic idea to contemplate that, at some point in human past, studying and developing new knots (or even stumbling upon new knots and sharing that idea) would have been a realistic endeavour that expanded the boundary of human knowledge and gave us newer or safer ways of building and achieving things.

It isn't a hobby of the past. Arborists are professionals still using knots and studying them (especially with the modern rope materials changing the old knowledge around knots). Rock climbing is a hobby but knots are life-or-death for them. Knots are still being invented nowadays. Or variants of existing knots. Here are PACI's systematic studies on a few vital knots: https://www.paci.com.au/knots.php Here is a recen…

The number of hitches which come out of the arborist community is pretty mind bending. It's one of my favorite things about climbing.

Tons of tree climbers are pretty experienced splicers as well. State of the art there continues to advance year after year.

Re: Notable Knot Index (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Zeppelin bend is exceptionally good and was invented in the 60s. I'm not so sure about that. The history of the Zeppelin bend is incredibly contentious and apocryphal.

Can we at least agree that it does not appear in ABOK when it was published in the 40s?

Yeah, that's fair.

On the history, everything I know is from this excellent article, so might as well cite it here for the curious, and just in case you haven't seen it:

https://www.paci.com.au/downloads_public/knots/KnotBio_zeppe... (password: copyright)

Re: Notable Knot Index (2016)

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I teach a class on knots "for people who can't remember knots", and specifically for tent campers (in the SCA).

Basically, I teach the half-hitch (just to get the class introduced to the teaching style), the square (vs granny) for securing things until you want them freed, the figure 8 (for a variety of uses, including making a loop), and the tautline hitch (for tightening ropes). [0]

I then show them how to secure things on their car rooftops with a porter's hitch (trucker's hitch), and pitfalls to avoid there.

My focus is: simple, reuse of the fewest knots possible, and reliable.

I spoke to another knot teacher once, asking them why they taught the bowline knot. I was very seriously told: "If one of my students was ever in a life-or-death situation, it could blah blah blah!" Except... the bowline is in every way inferior to a figure 8, except for (1) amount of rope used and (2) bragging rights to "prove" you know knots.

It always amazes me how people glorify the bowline. It's harder to remember, more prone to breaking and slipping, and far harder to visually "check" for correctness.

[0]: I also venture a little abroad, like the surgeon's variation on the square. But it all builds on those three knots in slight variation.

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