Returning to Zig after losing trust in Rust's governance • Hacker News Board

Re: Returning to Zig after losing trust in Rust's governance

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Post by Ygg2 » Sun, Jul 05, 2026, 2:39 PM UTC

janice1999 wrote: post #10

atdt wrote: post #9

The money contributed to the Rust Foundation by large corporate members supports initiatives[0] that benefit all users of Rust, and I am happy for it. The slow and deliberative approach the Foundation took to crafting the AI policy, and even the hedging language in the policy itself, are indicators of a healthy open organization. The author's scorn shows immaturity. [0]: https://rustfoundation.org/#initiatives

An "open" healthy organisation does not stack the cards during major policy discussions by forbidding major arguments against the adoption of a position its backers clearly want. The author is right to call that out. It was an extremely disappointing move for Rust to make.

It's also Ok to ban discussions that will lead nowhere or cause flame wars.

Re: Returning to Zig after losing trust in Rust's governance

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Post by znpy » Sun, Jul 05, 2026, 4:45 PM UTC

IdontKnowRust wrote: post #5

znpy wrote: post #2

> When the biggest companies in the world are each giving you hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, you probably don't want to upset them. Don’t forget that those money ultimately go to individuals, that often willingly sacrifice their opinions and positions for the fat paycheque.

That's so true and although I agree with you, I can't judge them by doing this, You end up bowing down to those who pay you, just to survive.

Nah. Those people are skilled enough to go work somewhere else and make a very good living. They willingly chose the fatter paycheque.

Re: Returning to Zig after losing trust in Rust's governance

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Post by cognitiveinline » Sun, Jul 05, 2026, 5:05 PM UTC

atdt wrote: post #9

The money contributed to the Rust Foundation by large corporate members supports initiatives[0] that benefit all users of Rust, and I am happy for it. The slow and deliberative approach the Foundation took to crafting the AI policy, and even the hedging language in the policy itself, are indicators of a healthy open organization. The author's scorn shows immaturity. [0]: https://rustfoundation.org/#initiatives

Yes the author is a kid - strictly codes as hobby (https://gracefulliberty.com/llms/). So would take the post as opinions, but no one shoudl read more than that into it.

Re: Returning to Zig after losing trust in Rust's governance

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Post by RustSupremacist » Mon, Jul 06, 2026, 12:41 AM UTC

501(c)(3) organizations are non-profits that include charities, whereas 501(c)(6) organizations are non-profits with less strict requirements. Both are tax-exempt federally, but 501(c)(3) organizations have higher financial transparency requirements and higher restrictions on political activity (which qualifies donations to 501(c)s as tax-deductible).

The Rust Foundation is a 501(c)(6) and not a 501(c)(3). The Rust Foundation would do better for the community if they were a 501(c)(3) and more transparent about finances. The Rust Foundation should change their governance structure to a 501(c)(3) instead of a 501(c)(6).

Re: Returning to Zig after losing trust in Rust's governance

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Post by littlestymaar » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 1:10 PM UTC

techpression wrote: post #6

littlestymaar wrote: post #4

TL;DR; the author feels betrayed because the Rust leadership didn't take a strong stance against LLMs like the Zig team did. IMHO LLMs are causing lots of issues in the software world, especially in the open source communities but I don't think Zig's blanket rejection of everything AI-related is a good thing.

Not at all the take I got, it was a specific, very corporate, section about ”say nothing bad about LLMs” that was later removed due to backlash that caused the author to lose trust. They even go into specifics regarding the LLM policy and that it’s in many parts sound. When I read the mentioned section I was very baffled, it’s like if Jensen of NVIDIA had made an appearance and wanted to sell GPUs.

> Not at all the take I got, it was a specific, very corporate, section about ”say nothing bad about LLMs”

It was merely a “can we please not start a flame war on LLMs and focus on what is relevant to the Rust project itself”.