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How working memory could give rise to consciousness

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Re: How working memory could give rise to consciousness

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The physical nervous system is one map, and the consciousness the “moment of continuity” (like a “moment of force” in physical systems). The memory (learned inference) is another map. Consciousness animates and iteratively influences in between. You can fantasize that you are an owl or a bat, doing so well enough can be quite convincing. Remember, wings are arms and hands (look at a skeletal picture, you will see wha…

I think you'd have great difficulty in doing either, as you are imagining what you think it might be like to be one of these animals are are almost certainly unable to encompass what they might feel it to be like; the case of bats is literally the subject of Thomas Nagel's What Is It Like to Be a Bat?

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Re: How working memory could give rise to consciousness

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It does not. Consciousness is the echo chamber of the quantum domain, temporally propagating through cognitive technology. Memory and temporal propagation (awareness) give consciousness something to do, which makes it topically interesting and addressable. The quantum domain has a tremendous information density which scales through entanglement (by the tens of thousands or even millions in our neurons) allowing the u…

Do you have any references for these claims?

I’m also curious how you define consciousness.

Re: How working memory could give rise to consciousness

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It does not. Consciousness is the echo chamber of the quantum domain, temporally propagating through cognitive technology. Memory and temporal propagation (awareness) give consciousness something to do, which makes it topically interesting and addressable. The quantum domain has a tremendous information density which scales through entanglement (by the tens of thousands or even millions in our neurons) allowing the u…

Woo!

Re: How working memory could give rise to consciousness

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It does not. Consciousness is the echo chamber of the quantum domain, temporally propagating through cognitive technology. Memory and temporal propagation (awareness) give consciousness something to do, which makes it topically interesting and addressable. The quantum domain has a tremendous information density which scales through entanglement (by the tens of thousands or even millions in our neurons) allowing the u…

> Consciousness is the echo chamber of the quantum domain [citation needed]

FWIW the only place I EVER see the phrase "citation needed" is on HN. That's not a good or a bad thing: it's simply an observation.

Re: How working memory could give rise to consciousness

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In this article, the concept of working memory accounts for not consciousness but the accessibility, stability and reportability of certain contents. For example, when I am reading very carefully, I may not be concentrating on the ambient sounds, my bodily position, my peripheral vision, and the environment of the room. These contents may not have to be retained in working memory in any way as relevant information fo…

Yeah, binning conscious and unconscious as two categorical classes is probably wrong. There are likely gradations, especially in the context of working memory over time.

Re: How working memory could give rise to consciousness

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> Consciousness is the echo chamber of the quantum domain [citation needed]

FWIW the only place I EVER see the phrase "citation needed" is on HN. That's not a good or a bad thing: it's simply an observation.

With apologies to the above post if I'm wrong, I've seen it as a polite way of saying, "bullshit."

Re: How working memory could give rise to consciousness

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It does not. Consciousness is the echo chamber of the quantum domain, temporally propagating through cognitive technology. Memory and temporal propagation (awareness) give consciousness something to do, which makes it topically interesting and addressable. The quantum domain has a tremendous information density which scales through entanglement (by the tens of thousands or even millions in our neurons) allowing the u…

Very interesting. Do you have any links to material along these lines?

It conjecture, but in my opinion there's something about our brain based on the evidence.

Three pounds of meat in one human brain can do things an entire datacenter of AI can't. Like fold clothing.

Re: How working memory could give rise to consciousness

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> Consciousness is the echo chamber of the quantum domain [citation needed]

FWIW the only place I EVER see the phrase "citation needed" is on HN. That's not a good or a bad thing: it's simply an observation.

Pretty sure it originated with the Wikipedia annotation. See e.g. https://xkcd.com/285/ from 2007.

Re: How working memory could give rise to consciousness

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It does not. Consciousness is the echo chamber of the quantum domain, temporally propagating through cognitive technology. Memory and temporal propagation (awareness) give consciousness something to do, which makes it topically interesting and addressable. The quantum domain has a tremendous information density which scales through entanglement (by the tens of thousands or even millions in our neurons) allowing the u…

> Consciousness is the echo chamber of the quantum domain [citation needed]

I've seen this bouncing around since the early 90s, with New Agey people like Danah Zohar, and probably predates even that. There never seemed to be a whole lot to it; not much more than "well, consciousness is weird, and quantum is weird, therefore consciousness is quantum". Or maybe "well, quantum is trendy, and I'd like to make a buck, therefore..."
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