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Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by matchbok3 »

krapp wrote: post #9
enragebait wrote: post #8

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Such radicalism never materializes from a vacuum. All extremes come as an iterative increment until a critical mass compels the middle over a ledge. Nothing happens without mobilizing and catalyzing the middle. All “sides” know this.

Except the thesis is that the mainstream left (which would be the Democratic Party) is already just as extremist as MAGA (which has become the mainstream right.) When people resort to calling Joe Biden a communist, or even Barack Obama, because there's no one in power on the mainstream left to whom the label "far left" could reasonably apply, it's an obvious false equivalence. The "Nazis" are saying Nazi things and d…

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Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by matchbok3 »

krapp wrote: post #7
andsoitis wrote: post #5

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What do you think of Darializa Avila Chevalier‘s rhetoric? She’s very extreme.

She does seem like an actual leftist I'll give you that. But rhetoric doesn't count for much, what has she actually done that's radical? I can only judge from her Wikipedia page but under political positions it says "Her platform has included universal healthcare, stronger tenant protections, funding programs for children instead of funding war, abolishing US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), banning large s…

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Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by enragebait »

matchbok3 wrote: post #11
krapp wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except the thesis is that the mainstream left (which would be the Democratic Party) is already just as extremist as MAGA (which has become the mainstream right.) When people resort to calling Joe Biden a communist, or even Barack Obama, because there's no one in power on the mainstream left to whom the label "far left" could reasonably apply, it's an obvious false equivalence. The "Nazis" are saying Nazi things and d…

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I do adore a great many socialists. You will find many are actually altruistic intellectuals.

However I like to say, if you are a true socialist and not a hypocrite, then spend some time as a civil servant or in some capacity which is responsible for the well being of other people you are not related to.

And I can think of two for instance in which socialist values work: cooperatives and military service!

Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by cindyllm »

enragebait wrote: post #13
matchbok3 wrote: post #11

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I do adore a great many socialists. You will find many are actually altruistic intellectuals. However I like to say, if you are a true socialist and not a hypocrite, then spend some time as a civil servant or in some capacity which is responsible for the well being of other people you are not related to. And I can think of two for instance in which socialist values work: cooperatives and military service!

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Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by krapp »

matchbok3 wrote: post #12
krapp wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She does seem like an actual leftist I'll give you that. But rhetoric doesn't count for much, what has she actually done that's radical? I can only judge from her Wikipedia page but under political positions it says "Her platform has included universal healthcare, stronger tenant protections, funding programs for children instead of funding war, abolishing US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), banning large s…

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Darializa Avila Chevalier wasn't running in 2024, Kamala Harris was, and she was trying as hard as possible to appeal to the right to the point of alienating her base entirely. I don't think "crazy rhetoric" is the reason Trump won so much as the fact that a significant number of Americans simply cannot take a woman, much less a black woman, seriously in a position of power.

Because I'll point it out again, and doubtless be ignored again - there is nothing approaching "socialism" anywhere near the mainstream of the Democratic Party. The Democrats supported Israel. The Democrats don't support abolishing prisons. The Democrats, despite propaganda to the contrary, have never wanted to "abolish" the border. Biden and Obama were both aggressive in their border policies. Hell, Biden tried to fund part of Trump's border wall in 2023.

The only people who are turned off by the Democrats because they're "too socialist" are people who were never going to vote for them to begin with. Everyone else is pissed that they aren't nearly leftist enough.

Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by krapp »

matchbok3 wrote: post #11
krapp wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except the thesis is that the mainstream left (which would be the Democratic Party) is already just as extremist as MAGA (which has become the mainstream right.) When people resort to calling Joe Biden a communist, or even Barack Obama, because there's no one in power on the mainstream left to whom the label "far left" could reasonably apply, it's an obvious false equivalence. The "Nazis" are saying Nazi things and d…

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>Even then, 60% of dems think the party is already too far left. So I'm not sure exactly why you are rooting for some socialist party. Nobody wants it. If people wanted it, the party would exist.

The party does exist. We're in a thread discussing said party. And I guess you didn't read the part of my comment where I pointed out that the reason that party exists is that people do want the Democrats to move further left than they're willing to.

Also socialism seems to work just fine throughout the entire Western world, for the definition of "socialism" being used here.

Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by matchbok3 »

krapp wrote: post #15
matchbok3 wrote: post #12

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Darializa Avila Chevalier wasn't running in 2024, Kamala Harris was, and she was trying as hard as possible to appeal to the right to the point of alienating her base entirely. I don't think "crazy rhetoric" is the reason Trump won so much as the fact that a significant number of Americans simply cannot take a woman, much less a black woman, seriously in a position of power. Because I'll point it out again, and doubt…

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Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by andsoitis »

krapp wrote: post #9
enragebait wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such radicalism never materializes from a vacuum. All extremes come as an iterative increment until a critical mass compels the middle over a ledge. Nothing happens without mobilizing and catalyzing the middle. All “sides” know this.

Except the thesis is that the mainstream left (which would be the Democratic Party) is already just as extremist as MAGA (which has become the mainstream right.) When people resort to calling Joe Biden a communist, or even Barack Obama, because there's no one in power on the mainstream left to whom the label "far left" could reasonably apply, it's an obvious false equivalence. The "Nazis" are saying Nazi things and d…

> The "Nazis" are saying Nazi things and doing Nazi things

Are you arguing that the GOP and the replican voters are nazis?

Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by andsoitis »

krapp wrote: post #16
matchbok3 wrote: post #11

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>Even then, 60% of dems think the party is already too far left. So I'm not sure exactly why you are rooting for some socialist party. Nobody wants it. If people wanted it, the party would exist. The party does exist. We're in a thread discussing said party. And I guess you didn't read the part of my comment where I pointed out that the reason that party exists is that people do want the Democrats to move further lef…

> people do want the Democrats to move further left than they're willing to.

On which issues would you say the majority of democratic voters want the party to move further left?

Re: Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun [video][46 Mins]

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Post by andsoitis »

krapp wrote: post #15
matchbok3 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Darializa Avila Chevalier wasn't running in 2024, Kamala Harris was, and she was trying as hard as possible to appeal to the right to the point of alienating her base entirely. I don't think "crazy rhetoric" is the reason Trump won so much as the fact that a significant number of Americans simply cannot take a woman, much less a black woman, seriously in a position of power. Because I'll point it out again, and doubt…

> she was trying as hard as possible to appeal to the right

What’s a good example?

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