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The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

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Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

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That'll show em! (that they should continue with the price fixing). I look forward to the day when we no longer have a pro-corruption government.

"naked conspiracy to manipulate the price of eggs from 2022-2025. " Who was in charge during this time period?

not the one in charge of punishing this behaviour

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post #3

That'll show em! (that they should continue with the price fixing). I look forward to the day when we no longer have a pro-corruption government.

Do you have any evidence the settlement terms are corrupt? There were 17 states involved. Many of those states have governors that are not in the same party as the president. https://apnews.com/article/egg-prices-collusion-settlement-d...

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post #10

Reminds me of the Egg Greed Graph. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HFa2bQlWcAARYNB.jpg Why is it people have such a hard time understanding that this is what we want markets to do? If there is a scarcity of some resource, the prices rise and this motivates producers to produce more and consumers to consume less, until an equilibrium is found. On net, this means that we can have more of what we want for less effort over t…

Consumers don't want to understand it because they don't want to consume less.

Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

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post #3

That'll show em! (that they should continue with the price fixing). I look forward to the day when we no longer have a pro-corruption government.

"naked conspiracy to manipulate the price of eggs from 2022-2025. " Who was in charge during this time period?

People always overlook how crappy our courts are.

They have been absurdly pro corporate for decades. They will bend over backwards to accept an absurd legal arguments from corporate attorneys, yet they never seem to have that level of credulity for people like you and me.

That famous McDonalds hot coffee case, McDonalds had caused serious injuries to hundreds of people previously and demonstrated serious negligence and a willing disregard for the safety of their customers and the courts, and yet when the jury came back with a couple million dollars in punitive damages, the judge still massively reduced that penalty!

We have to push for courts that don't treat corporations with white gloves.

Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

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post #8

Things like this mainly occur in markets with little competition, killing of small business causes issues like this. Much of our grievances are caused by our high level of market concentration.

And notably, we used to have a somewhat progressive corporate income tax which, at least on paper, provided a quantitative disincentive against too much consolidation. Sometimes the merger of A and B would pay a higher rate than A and B separately. And we gave that mechanism up.

Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

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post #10

Reminds me of the Egg Greed Graph. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HFa2bQlWcAARYNB.jpg Why is it people have such a hard time understanding that this is what we want markets to do? If there is a scarcity of some resource, the prices rise and this motivates producers to produce more and consumers to consume less, until an equilibrium is found. On net, this means that we can have more of what we want for less effort over t…

Collusion is not a market force and is actually highly illegal and corrupting of markets, so this doesn't seem relevant at all.

Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

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post #3

That'll show em! (that they should continue with the price fixing). I look forward to the day when we no longer have a pro-corruption government.

Do you have any evidence the settlement terms are corrupt? There were 17 states involved. Many of those states have governors that are not in the same party as the president. https://apnews.com/article/egg-prices-collusion-settlement-d...

It’s not only Republicans getting contributions from Big Egg.

Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

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post #10

Reminds me of the Egg Greed Graph. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HFa2bQlWcAARYNB.jpg Why is it people have such a hard time understanding that this is what we want markets to do? If there is a scarcity of some resource, the prices rise and this motivates producers to produce more and consumers to consume less, until an equilibrium is found. On net, this means that we can have more of what we want for less effort over t…

Consumers don't want to understand it because they don't want to consume less.

I mean no. The LIBOR analogy is appropriate. Large, long-term egg supply contracts are fixed to an index and that index was manipulated. That's criminal conspiracy and price fixing, not just a liquid market.

That's notably different from say the current scrum for HBM where the demand truly came as a surprise and scarce supply gets bid up.

Micron's windfall is justified and natural as these things go. The egg windfall was manufactured and criminal.

Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

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post #10

Reminds me of the Egg Greed Graph. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HFa2bQlWcAARYNB.jpg Why is it people have such a hard time understanding that this is what we want markets to do? If there is a scarcity of some resource, the prices rise and this motivates producers to produce more and consumers to consume less, until an equilibrium is found. On net, this means that we can have more of what we want for less effort over t…

As the article says, people have a hard time understanding it because it turned out not to be what's happening. I was on the other side of the debate, I thought it was absurd, but it turns out egg company executives really were sending each other messages saying "let's manipulate the price upwards so that we can make more money".
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