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Who are the fire-tamers?

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Re: Who are the fire-tamers?

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My dad went to one when his cancer entered the terminal phase, I think he knew it was bullsh*t but it was a more human « treatment » than everything else he went through so he liked it. I still think it was a charlatan preying on him but I guess no more amoral than crystals moms and essential oils MLMs.

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Re: Who are the fire-tamers?

#12

Never forget: For all the little bit of positive results for a placebo there are also negative effects due to noceboeffect. Also it's very common in esoterica that if it works it was the healer if it didn't it was something you did wrong.

What is "noceboeffect"?

Re: Who are the fire-tamers?

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Never forget: For all the little bit of positive results for a placebo there are also negative effects due to noceboeffect. Also it's very common in esoterica that if it works it was the healer if it didn't it was something you did wrong.

What is "noceboeffect"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo

Re: Who are the fire-tamers?

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Never forget: For all the little bit of positive results for a placebo there are also negative effects due to noceboeffect. Also it's very common in esoterica that if it works it was the healer if it didn't it was something you did wrong.

What is "noceboeffect"?

In drug trials if a person knows about the side effects of a drug (e.g. nausea, headaches) they may get them even if they were in the control group.

I'm not sure how it applies here though because alternative therapies rarely state expected negative effects.

Re: Who are the fire-tamers?

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Never forget: For all the little bit of positive results for a placebo there are also negative effects due to noceboeffect. Also it's very common in esoterica that if it works it was the healer if it didn't it was something you did wrong.

What is "noceboeffect"?

Just like something that has no direct physical/chemical/biological mechanism to improve your condition can still do so if you believe it will (the placebo effect), it can also worsen your condition if you believe it will - that's the nocebo effect.

Re: Who are the fire-tamers?

#16
I was in France for a wedding recently and I saw traiteur on the side of one of the vans pulled up. I remarked to the staff that in Louisiana French, traiteur/traiteuse means folk healer, and they told me it was just the caterers.

Re: Who are the fire-tamers?

#17

Never forget: For all the little bit of positive results for a placebo there are also negative effects due to noceboeffect. Also it's very common in esoterica that if it works it was the healer if it didn't it was something you did wrong.

What is "noceboeffect"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo

Sometimes called non-cebo/none-cebo though I avoid that as starting with “nonce” can be a trigger for the easily befuddled and offended (“Could you be experiencing a noncebo type effect?”, “WHAT DID YOU CALL ME?!”).

As the wikipedia page points out, this is not to be confused with knowcebo, which sounds the same. This is where information leaks break blinding measures and render test results less (or completely not) meaningful.

Re: Who are the fire-tamers?

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I was in France for a wedding recently and I saw traiteur on the side of one of the vans pulled up. I remarked to the staff that in Louisiana French, traiteur/traiteuse means folk healer, and they told me it was just the caterers.

Traiteur does mean caterer in France, but the way the word is constructed also implies “someone who treats”, to treat is traiter and traitement is treatment, so it’s weird that only traiteur lost that meaning.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gaffa tape works wonders, especially on verrucas. Genuinely. It's like magic.

I assume you meant Gaffer tape?

It is used interchangeably here in the UK - most tradespeople or theatre folk say is as gaffa, as in boss.

Re: Who are the fire-tamers?

#20

My dad went to one when his cancer entered the terminal phase, I think he knew it was bullsh*t but it was a more human « treatment » than everything else he went through so he liked it. I still think it was a charlatan preying on him but I guess no more amoral than crystals moms and essential oils MLMs.

I don't get how anybody gets into essential oil MLMs. I have a $20 ultrasonic diffuser and buy $10 bottles of things like Lavender extract from my food co-op which will last me for years.

Lately I have been stirring the cauldron and getting to know quite a few witchy women and there are a lot of them who make and sell their own essential oil products that are like the MLM products but don't have the upline and all it entails. Still I think "just get a diffuser".

(Some people would disagree: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48734824)

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