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Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by tough »

Spooky23 wrote: post #7
johng wrote: post #3

The article doesn't seem to go into any discussion or reasoning why Gavin Newsom would want to cooperate with this, seemingly against his own party? What are the downsides of not cooperating? What is his motivation or benefits for capitulating? Edit: Oh, ahhh I see: "Governor Gavin Newsom agreed to upload driver's license data to a national database primarily to comply with the Real ID Act of 2005 and avoid federal t…

These issues are really complicated because they aren’t left versus right. Conservatives and progressives both tend to be ideologically skeptical of enhancements/sharing of ID. From a state perspective, there’s a lot of benefit to exchanging this type of information across state lines through AAMVA. It reduces a lot of fraud, avoids a lot of insurance issues that cost the state taxpayers a lot of money. It has a lot…

Maybe if both left and right weren't just puppets for the capital that finances their superPACs it would be more believable that they're different things

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by readthenotes1 »

iamnothere wrote: post #5
johng wrote: post #3

The article doesn't seem to go into any discussion or reasoning why Gavin Newsom would want to cooperate with this, seemingly against his own party? What are the downsides of not cooperating? What is his motivation or benefits for capitulating? Edit: Oh, ahhh I see: "Governor Gavin Newsom agreed to upload driver's license data to a national database primarily to comply with the Real ID Act of 2005 and avoid federal t…

It was a strategic move by Newsom to comply with giving your data to a historically unpopular fedgov led by a historically unpopular president at a time when resisting would have been supported by his base and would have raised his political capital (and national profile). Very smart move. (There is only one team in US politics.)

I think many people will assume you're historically unpopular president and fed gov are the current ones.

Since the federal law requiring this was passed in 2005, it's another historically and unpopular president and fedgov.

(I am of course referring to Abraham Lincoln and the 1861 federal government)

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by gruez »

tough wrote: post #11
Spooky23 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These issues are really complicated because they aren’t left versus right. Conservatives and progressives both tend to be ideologically skeptical of enhancements/sharing of ID. From a state perspective, there’s a lot of benefit to exchanging this type of information across state lines through AAMVA. It reduces a lot of fraud, avoids a lot of insurance issues that cost the state taxpayers a lot of money. It has a lot…

Maybe if both left and right weren't just puppets for the capital that finances their superPACs it would be more believable that they're different things

How does sharing drivers license information help "capital"? Sure you can probably handwave some stuff about how sending that information helps the surveillance state which can be used to stop occupy wall st style protests, but it's not clear how that's more convincing than the other common refrain, which is that immigration (legal or otherwise) helps "capital" because it drives down labor costs.

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by fsckboy »

Spooky23 wrote: post #7
johng wrote: post #3

The article doesn't seem to go into any discussion or reasoning why Gavin Newsom would want to cooperate with this, seemingly against his own party? What are the downsides of not cooperating? What is his motivation or benefits for capitulating? Edit: Oh, ahhh I see: "Governor Gavin Newsom agreed to upload driver's license data to a national database primarily to comply with the Real ID Act of 2005 and avoid federal t…

These issues are really complicated because they aren’t left versus right. Conservatives and progressives both tend to be ideologically skeptical of enhancements/sharing of ID. From a state perspective, there’s a lot of benefit to exchanging this type of information across state lines through AAMVA. It reduces a lot of fraud, avoids a lot of insurance issues that cost the state taxpayers a lot of money. It has a lot…

>These issues are really complicated because they aren’t left versus right. Conservatives and progressives both tend to be ideologically skeptical of enhancements/sharing of ID.

It's complicated within each party, but not overall. Idealogues prefer debating other idealogues because they use the same vocabularies and that preference is why they are always fighting, they like it. But the fat part of the curve in the middle is mostly made up of non idealogues who are quietly saying "can't you just shut up and compromise, let's be practical".

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by rectang »

Spooky23 wrote: post #7
johng wrote: post #3

The article doesn't seem to go into any discussion or reasoning why Gavin Newsom would want to cooperate with this, seemingly against his own party? What are the downsides of not cooperating? What is his motivation or benefits for capitulating? Edit: Oh, ahhh I see: "Governor Gavin Newsom agreed to upload driver's license data to a national database primarily to comply with the Real ID Act of 2005 and avoid federal t…

These issues are really complicated because they aren’t left versus right. Conservatives and progressives both tend to be ideologically skeptical of enhancements/sharing of ID. From a state perspective, there’s a lot of benefit to exchanging this type of information across state lines through AAMVA. It reduces a lot of fraud, avoids a lot of insurance issues that cost the state taxpayers a lot of money. It has a lot…

Should voter ID requirements (a la "SAVE America" act or similar) become law, constitutional prohibitions on poll taxes will lead towards every citizen getting an ID at no charge.

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by SoftTalker »

rectang wrote: post #15
Spooky23 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These issues are really complicated because they aren’t left versus right. Conservatives and progressives both tend to be ideologically skeptical of enhancements/sharing of ID. From a state perspective, there’s a lot of benefit to exchanging this type of information across state lines through AAMVA. It reduces a lot of fraud, avoids a lot of insurance issues that cost the state taxpayers a lot of money. It has a lot…

Should voter ID requirements (a la "SAVE America" act or similar) become law, constitutional prohibitions on poll taxes will lead towards every citizen getting an ID at no charge.

Many states already have required ID for voting, and indeed a state ID card can be obtained from the DMV for a nominal cost, probably free in need-based cases.

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by chopete3 »

m-hodges wrote: post #4

Roughly 9 years ago: https://neveragain.tech/

This is a very good pledge to have all humans to sign up for anywhere on the globe.

>>We are choosing to stand in solidarity with Muslim Americans,

This particular word, with no other specifc identities after that, takes the air out of this massive effort and gives the impression it is a localized effort.

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by SoftTalker »

fsckboy wrote: post #14
Spooky23 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These issues are really complicated because they aren’t left versus right. Conservatives and progressives both tend to be ideologically skeptical of enhancements/sharing of ID. From a state perspective, there’s a lot of benefit to exchanging this type of information across state lines through AAMVA. It reduces a lot of fraud, avoids a lot of insurance issues that cost the state taxpayers a lot of money. It has a lot…

> These issues are really complicated because they aren’t left versus right. Conservatives and progressives both tend to be ideologically skeptical of enhancements/sharing of ID. It's complicated within each party, but not overall. Idealogues prefer debating other idealogues because they use the same vocabularies and that preference is why they are always fighting, they like it. But the fat part of the curve in the m…

If they would ever shut up and compromise, there would be no need for their ideology. That's why advocates almost never really solve the issues they are advocating about, because to do so would be to eliminate the thing that gives them attention and power.

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by Spooky23 »

rectang wrote: post #15
Spooky23 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These issues are really complicated because they aren’t left versus right. Conservatives and progressives both tend to be ideologically skeptical of enhancements/sharing of ID. From a state perspective, there’s a lot of benefit to exchanging this type of information across state lines through AAMVA. It reduces a lot of fraud, avoids a lot of insurance issues that cost the state taxpayers a lot of money. It has a lot…

Should voter ID requirements (a la "SAVE America" act or similar) become law, constitutional prohibitions on poll taxes will lead towards every citizen getting an ID at no charge.

Don’t assume that. There’s a MAGA bro movement advocating against direct election of senators.

The Supreme Court will do backflips to make the determination that they’re paid to make.

Re: California legislature agrees to upload driver's licenses to national database

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Post by ck2 »

I thought because of RealID made just after 9/11 all drivers licenses had to be in federal database anyway?

Not that it's acceptable but federal database of drivers licenses is smallest of privacy problems these days with federal overreach

NSA never ever stopped collecting phone calls, they have been storing that data in larger and larger databases in the deserts. Now "ai" can make all that into some insane level of datamining

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