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What is a Lithium-ion capacitor?

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Re: What is a Lithium-ion capacitor?

#11

Dumb question but I though capacitors store energy and not power?

They store energy but there's a limit to how quickly you can get that energy out, hence a limit to power. And I suppose you can kinda talk about them "storing power" in the sense that power is what you might be interested in getting out of them.

At least, that's my understanding of it.

Re: What is a Lithium-ion capacitor?

#12

And no mention of the self discharge rate.

For a similar part in this class:

Low Leakage Current as small as 1µA Low Self-discharge rate, 72 hours @ discharge https://abracon.com/datasheets/AHCR-S04R0S.pdf

The more the Farads the higher the leakage. The higher the tempature the higher the leakage.

Re: What is a Lithium-ion capacitor?

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For anyone that wants to see a real data sheet: Nominal Voltage: 4.0V High Power and Energy Densities Cycle Life > 50K Cycles Capacitance Range: 10F-1200Farads https://abracon.com/product-lineup/frequency-control-timing-... Note that the original data sheets said that these could be wave soldered. ABSOLETLY NOT. Even hand soldering they must be treated with respect, a lot of respect. One of the major problems with th…

The direct link to the data sheet:

https://abracon.com/datasheets/AHCR-S04R0S.pdf

Re: What is a Lithium-ion capacitor?

#14

Let's say you want to make a hybrid car lighter-weight. Where is this useful? Power density and cycle life are truly impressive. Energy density is super low

You would use these to provide peak power in a system that had short term power needs that were high above the average power needs AND had that power requirement as a bottleneck. Energy is the bottleneck for cars though, not power. unless you're wanting your prius to accelerate like a ferrari Maybe it would be useful for less losses with regenerative braking? These would presumably be able to charge much faster and t…

> unless you're wanting your prius to accelerate like a ferrari

That's the point of a hybrid.

Re: What is a Lithium-ion capacitor?

#16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would use these to provide peak power in a system that had short term power needs that were high above the average power needs AND had that power requirement as a bottleneck. Energy is the bottleneck for cars though, not power. unless you're wanting your prius to accelerate like a ferrari Maybe it would be useful for less losses with regenerative braking? These would presumably be able to charge much faster and t…

> unless you're wanting your prius to accelerate like a ferrari That's the point of a hybrid.

It’s the best part of any electric drivetrain. Especially when you can remap the throttle to really launch from zero. :)

(I find that electric acceleration makes highway merging much safer.)

Re: What is a Lithium-ion capacitor?

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> unless you're wanting your prius to accelerate like a ferrari That's the point of a hybrid.

It’s the best part of any electric drivetrain. Especially when you can remap the throttle to really launch from zero. :) (I find that electric acceleration makes highway merging much safer.)

My EV has the opposite problem, something like half throw is full throttle and then the rest of the pedal does nothing. They do it for marketing reasons but I still don't like it

Re: What is a Lithium-ion capacitor?

#20

Large, charged capacitors are pretty frightening. Batteries too, but their discharge rate is limited to the speed of the chemical reaction.

Are capacitors not limited by a chemical reaction?

Not AFAIK. A simple capacitor is two metal plates separated by an insulator, allowing an electrical charge to accumulate. Discharge would only be limited by the current-carrying capacity of the wiring.
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