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Micron locks in historically high memory prices for five years

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Re: Micron locks in historically high memory prices for five years

#11

Predatory. I hope the tech community remembers this and diversifies away from companies that behave this way

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_price_fixing_scandal

> To date, five manufacturers have pleaded guilty to their involvement in an international price-fixing conspiracy between July 1, 1998, and June 15, 2002, including Hynix, Infineon, Micron Technology, Samsung, and Elpida.

It is history; we have not learned; we are doomed to repeat it.

Re: Micron locks in historically high memory prices for five years

#12

wishful thinking from MU holders. These LTAs or SCAs are just hedges on the prices going even higher. Once spot prices start dropping, all of the agreements will be broken in a millisecond. The break up fees have already been paid! There's absolutely nothing the buyer has to do, but to simply not buy at the inflated old price and instead buy from someone else at the new, lower price. Does anyone really think that the…

The article says a large part is paid upfront.

Re: Micron locks in historically high memory prices for five years

#13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah they're going to diversify... to one of the other two memory companies who will likely be raising their prices too, because why should they be suckers?

The suckers are those companies agreeing to this deal. 'Your margin is my opportunity' means prices will fall eventually once more production come on line. The invisible hand will slap their faces

"Eventually" doing a lot of work. Micron (and implicitly anyone signing this deal) are betting demand is going to outstrip capacity for several years, taking into account what new capacity can be brought online and when.

Re: Micron locks in historically high memory prices for five years

#14

Predatory. I hope the tech community remembers this and diversifies away from companies that behave this way

waiting for you[0] to lay the $10B on the table for a new DDR fab - there's only so long I can wait for a new PC for the kids

[0] can actually be anyone

Re: Micron locks in historically high memory prices for five years

#15

Predatory. I hope the tech community remembers this and diversifies away from companies that behave this way

> I hope the tech community remembers this and diversifies away Doubt it. Has it EVER happened before?

It feels different this time. I bet there will be a generation of PC enthusiasts that are going to remember Crucial exiting the consumer market to chase AI dollars. And similar, when they hear Micron/Samsung/Sk Hynix, they'd be wary of the price gouging. Gamer's Nexus is doing really good job exposing the DRAM cartel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVzeHTlWIDY

Re: Micron locks in historically high memory prices for five years

#16

Predatory. I hope the tech community remembers this and diversifies away from companies that behave this way

Why? Part of the problem is that chip manufacturers (from tsmc to to memory makers) are reluctant to ramp up production as the AI bubble may pop and they would find themselves with huge over capacity, a scenario they have gone through many times.

By giving them stability of cash flows, the AI companies are enabling them to make those investments and to ramp up production. That's a good thing, not a bad thing. Over time it should ease the squeeze on chips.

Re: Micron locks in historically high memory prices for five years

#17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah they're going to diversify... to one of the other two memory companies who will likely be raising their prices too, because why should they be suckers?

The suckers are those companies agreeing to this deal. 'Your margin is my opportunity' means prices will fall eventually once more production come on line. The invisible hand will slap their faces

Well, apparently those companies believe memory prices will continue to rise, so they'd better lock in supply at the current (high) prices. We'll see if they're right...

Re: Micron locks in historically high memory prices for five years

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hope the tech community remembers this and diversifies away Doubt it. Has it EVER happened before?

It feels different this time. I bet there will be a generation of PC enthusiasts that are going to remember Crucial exiting the consumer market to chase AI dollars. And similar, when they hear Micron/Samsung/Sk Hynix, they'd be wary of the price gouging. Gamer's Nexus is doing really good job exposing the DRAM cartel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVzeHTlWIDY

What are they going to do about it? Start their own DRAM fab?

Re: Micron locks in historically high memory prices for five years

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hope the tech community remembers this and diversifies away Doubt it. Has it EVER happened before?

It feels different this time. I bet there will be a generation of PC enthusiasts that are going to remember Crucial exiting the consumer market to chase AI dollars. And similar, when they hear Micron/Samsung/Sk Hynix, they'd be wary of the price gouging. Gamer's Nexus is doing really good job exposing the DRAM cartel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVzeHTlWIDY

PC enthusiasts aren't exactly sentimental when in front of a spec sheet and a price list. Plus where else are you going to go. All manufacturers are hiking up their margin if you believe their stock prices.
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