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No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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Re: No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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Post by zetalyrae »

oceanplexian wrote: post #10

Yeah, who am I going to trust, a few thousand years of history, or yet another blogger claiming that no, this time is different, a populist uprising would definitely not fail the 800th time because computers or something and we will all be pets for the AI overlord? I don’t follow this train of logic. AI will go no differently than the Industrial Revolution. Some people will profit immensely, and society as a whole wi…

> Like the fact that supposedly the wealthy won’t survive the AI-pocolypse because the people will outnumber them and rise up or something.

This is literally the opposite of what the article says.

Re: No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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Post by thescriptkiddie »

NordStreamYacht wrote: post #6

FTA: "And who will stop this? Sam Altman? How many divisions does he have? The state doesn’t let corporations own nuclear weapons or fighter jets, it won’t let them have access to autonomous AI weapons either." Elon Musk's SpaceX. He could land a large rocket wherever he wants, it's basically a missile.

really funny to propose that The Guys Who Are Doing This might hypothetically stop it

Re: No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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Post by xixixao »

> The government pays Raytheon for missiles, the money cascades down the economy through factories, aluminium smelters, mines, transport companies, all staffed by AIs buying and selling from each other.

This seems too simplistic of a description of how money would work in such a world. Money is just a way to distribute your power to influence people. You never pay for machines or software. Think about buying anything, say a pen. You do not really pay for the metal in the pen. You pay the cost associated with extracting and processing the metal by humans along the production chain. If there were no humans along the chain, the cost could go down to zero.

So far, there are no “AIs” being paid.

Re: No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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Post by morkalork »

dlenski wrote: post #9

I read about 60% of it and skimmed the rest and my conclusion is: Man, I just. don't. care . Why should I worry about this hypothetical future dystopia, which seems to me incredibly unlikely to come to pass, rather than the glaring and terrifying current dystopia being enacted by Donald Trump in the USA?

At this point I'm like, if it happens it happens. There's no point caring because I'm the equivalent of an ant in the grand scheme of things.

Re: No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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Post by morkalork »

NordStreamYacht wrote: post #6

FTA: "And who will stop this? Sam Altman? How many divisions does he have? The state doesn’t let corporations own nuclear weapons or fighter jets, it won’t let them have access to autonomous AI weapons either." Elon Musk's SpaceX. He could land a large rocket wherever he wants, it's basically a missile.

Take the Russian oligarch Yevgeny Prigozhin for example, he did in fact have his own mercenary army. Turning on his president did not end well for him.

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Post by trial3 »

i have but one mouth and don’t know what to do with it. i do think i’m going to stop using some of these AI tools for personal queries. it does feel like it would at least stave off the “o’brien’s mind containing winston’s mind” moment for at least a little bit

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Post by jrflowers »

Refusing to question the notion that the overclass exists because their productivity and cultural contribution makes them a necessity so hard that I reinvent the premise of the Pixar movie Wall-E from first principles and pitch it to people as an ontology

Re: No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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Post by chasil »

I am very lucky to be retiring in two months.

I should have more faithfully heeded the advice from "The Little Book of Common Sense Investing" by John Bogle, but I was close enough with index funds to do far more than I need.

I just today filed a request for permanent Mexican residency, uploaded the required documents, and scheduled my appointment next month. For $56us, why not?

I am very lucky to make this transition now. I know that.

Re: No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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Post by __d »

morkalork wrote: post #15
NordStreamYacht wrote: post #6

FTA: "And who will stop this? Sam Altman? How many divisions does he have? The state doesn’t let corporations own nuclear weapons or fighter jets, it won’t let them have access to autonomous AI weapons either." Elon Musk's SpaceX. He could land a large rocket wherever he wants, it's basically a missile.

Take the Russian oligarch Yevgeny Prigozhin for example, he did in fact have his own mercenary army. Turning on his president did not end well for him.

Yes. But. I imagine the others did not fail to learn from this.

Re: No-One Escapes the Permanent Underclass

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Post by zetalyrae »

__d wrote: post #19
morkalork wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take the Russian oligarch Yevgeny Prigozhin for example, he did in fact have his own mercenary army. Turning on his president did not end well for him.

Yes. But. I imagine the others did not fail to learn from this.

What evidence would falsify this idea that wealth alone gives you political power?
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