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How to Passive-Aggressively Shame People Who Use LLMs Selfishly

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Re: How to Passive-Aggressively Shame People Who Use LLMs Selfishly

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I get pretty aggressive about this. I tell them if they expect human effort in review, then they should put some human effort into what they send me. Then I defuse it by ending on a positive tone with some tips about how to prompt better.

It’s worked well so far. Most people only send me that slop once.

Re: How to Passive-Aggressively Shame People Who Use LLMs Selfishly

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A lot of obvious LLM speech is obvious, but please spare us academics and former academics who learned how to use an em- and en-dash properly. Proper writing in general is being derided by younger folks who are too uneducated to tell the difference. I recently had someone claim my company's website, which is virtually unchanged since 2020, was "obviously AI." Yeah, kid, except you can go on Internet Archive and see i…

I share your sentiment of not being overly judgmental when you see an en/em dash but this feels overly reductive and hostile: > Proper writing in general is being derided by younger folks who are too uneducated to tell the difference. There are legitimate differences in writing styles between age groups and cultures and being overly prescriptive in what is “right” vs “wrong” doesn’t help your argument IMO

I think you are misconstruing what I said. I'm not talking about other cultures, I'm talking about the youth who turn in essays that mimic their texting style. I should know: I spent years grading their essays and helping them fashion a more professional writing style.

Re: How to Passive-Aggressively Shame People Who Use LLMs Selfishly

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Well...

FTA: "Opinions vary on the usefulness of LLMs, but hopefully we can all agree that using them selfishly is cringe."

LLM = Bad, Human = Good

LLM's output can be useful and informed. If your going to deny that then I dont know what to tell you to convince you otherwise.

How about we get back to holding humans accountable, for the LLM's output and their own. I can point you at people who are using LLM's to make actual art, and it is GOOD (strong stories, social commentary and so on). I can point you to lawyers who are using LLM's to great success. Reading and redlining documents is part of being good at the job and trained into them by trade.

Stop blaming the tool for peoples poor behavior.

Re: How to Passive-Aggressively Shame People Who Use LLMs Selfishly

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A lot of obvious LLM speech is obvious, but please spare us academics and former academics who learned how to use an em- and en-dash properly. Proper writing in general is being derided by younger folks who are too uneducated to tell the difference. I recently had someone claim my company's website, which is virtually unchanged since 2020, was "obviously AI." Yeah, kid, except you can go on Internet Archive and see i…

I share your sentiment of not being overly judgmental when you see an en/em dash but this feels overly reductive and hostile: > Proper writing in general is being derided by younger folks who are too uneducated to tell the difference. There are legitimate differences in writing styles between age groups and cultures and being overly prescriptive in what is “right” vs “wrong” doesn’t help your argument IMO

It's true that there are differences but I think it's simultaneously the case that the practice in any form is on the decline at the population level. No idea what the expected endpoint might be though.

Re: How to Passive-Aggressively Shame People Who Use LLMs Selfishly

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Well... FTA: "Opinions vary on the usefulness of LLMs, but hopefully we can all agree that using them selfishly is cringe." LLM = Bad, Human = Good LLM's output can be useful and informed. If your going to deny that then I dont know what to tell you to convince you otherwise. How about we get back to holding humans accountable, for the LLM's output and their own. I can point you at people who are using LLM's to make…

>> using them selfishly is cringe.

> Stop blaming the tool for peoples poor behavior.

Are you then in agreement with the author?

Re: How to Passive-Aggressively Shame People Who Use LLMs Selfishly

#18

This type of mentality is really not helping anyone. If you really think shaming people works, I don't know what planet youve been on for the past 10 years. And I reallllly dont trust any of you to accurately determine intent lol. The people going around pointing fingers about AI often get it wrong. Just listened to a podcast in which the host baselessly accused a film studio of using AI in their marketing and they l…

> This type of mentality is really not helping anyone. If you really think shaming people works,

Scroll down past the emojis to the actual interesting part of the article with positive reinforcement, empathy, etc.

Re: How to Passive-Aggressively Shame People Who Use LLMs Selfishly

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This type of mentality is really not helping anyone. If you really think shaming people works, I don't know what planet youve been on for the past 10 years. And I reallllly dont trust any of you to accurately determine intent lol. The people going around pointing fingers about AI often get it wrong. Just listened to a podcast in which the host baselessly accused a film studio of using AI in their marketing and they l…

> This type of mentality is really not helping anyone. If you really think shaming people works, Scroll down past the emojis to the actual interesting part of the article with positive reinforcement, empathy, etc.

Yeah i read it. As I said, I dont think any of you can accurately determine intent so its a moot point.

Re: How to Passive-Aggressively Shame People Who Use LLMs Selfishly

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> Selfish LLM usage: A situation in which someone uses an LLM to save their own time at the expense of other people’s time, resulting in a net productivity loss.

Brilliant. I would like to expand this definition slightly in order to include other problematic LLM usage.

> Selfish LLM usage: A situation in which someone uses an LLM to generate text or media which elicits or demands other people's emotional, cognitive or temporal input with the aim of saving similar resources for themselves, resulting in an unfair social exchange.

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