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Keep the Internet free and open
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Re: Keep the Internet free and open
#12A petition has absolutely no effect on this process.
I think that #STOPSOPA has clearly demonstrated that a lot of people making noise can influence the United States at the very least; and the United States has a number of economic and political tools (I'm not including military tools here) that it can use to influence the decisions of many less than democratic regimes. Politicians are more willing to advocate the use of these tools publically if they think that 1) People care about this; 2) People support using them.
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#13While I generally support what is being proposed here, Google as a company has a strong interested in "keep[ing] the Internet free and open" for them to sell their products. That doesn't make it wrong, it just means that if this was raised by organisations that don't have a clear commercial interest then it might improve the visibility.
Google also had a strong interest in stopping SOPA. I don't think that fact diminished the effectiveness of their campaign.
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#14While I generally support what is being proposed here, Google as a company has a strong interested in "keep[ing] the Internet free and open" for them to sell their products. That doesn't make it wrong, it just means that if this was raised by organisations that don't have a clear commercial interest then it might improve the visibility.
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#15So I'm enjoying my blank page because for some reason this free and open internet is not accessible and requires several scripts to display simple html.
Posting about a free and open internet on a website which is paid for by ads and with closed content is kinda ironic but it makes a strong point about google's credibility.
Make no mistake, they're defending their business model and profit which happens to be based on internet being sort of free and kinda open.
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#16Why is this the first I am hearing about this? On such a niche site like HN too? This should be all over the interwebs...
As a 25yo w/out a TV, this is the first I've heard of it as well.
Given the likelihood of similarly positioned friends on my social networks, I shared the Economist article here ( http://www.economist.com/news/21567340-governments-squabble-... ) as a set up for the link to the petition, should people agree w/ Google's efforts.
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#17So I'm enjoying my blank page because for some reason this free and open internet is not accessible and requires several scripts to display simple html. Posting about a free and open internet on a website which is paid for by ads and with closed content is kinda ironic but it makes a strong point about google's credibility. Make no mistake, they're defending their business model and profit which happens to be based o…
I couldn't agree more about Google sticking up for what's best for Google. And while I don't agree that we need more government regulation and intervention, we do need to call Google on their BS.
It gets even funnier if you read between the lines on their "take action" page and translate.
Original: "A free and open world depends on a free and open Internet." ---------------- Translated: "Google's revenues depend on a free and open Internet where we can freely monetize content created by everyone else."
Original: "Some proposals could permit governments to censor legitimate speech — or even allow them to cut off Internet access. Other proposals would require services like YouTube, Facebook, and Skype to pay new tolls in order to reach people across borders. This could limit access to information — particularly in emerging markets." ---------------- Translated: "Who are these governments to censor what appears on the Internet? Only Google and our hand-tuned animal-named algorithms have the right to determine what people see and don't see. And how dare anyone but Google attempt to impose tolls on the Internet? Shocking, the audacity of these governments..."
Original: "Governments alone, working behind closed doors, should not direct its future." ---------------- Translated: "Governments alone, working behind closed doors, should not direct its future. That privilege belongs to Google alone."
Original: "The ITU is also secretive. The treaty conference and proposals are confidential." ---------------- Translated: "Only Google is allowed to be secretive. Everyone else must be open."
Re: Keep the Internet free and open
#18So I'm enjoying my blank page because for some reason this free and open internet is not accessible and requires several scripts to display simple html. Posting about a free and open internet on a website which is paid for by ads and with closed content is kinda ironic but it makes a strong point about google's credibility. Make no mistake, they're defending their business model and profit which happens to be based o…
I couldn't agree more about Google sticking up for what's best for Google. And while I don't agree that we need more government regulation and intervention, we do need to call Google on their BS. It gets even funnier if you read between the lines on their "take action" page and translate. Original: "A free and open world depends on a free and open Internet." ---------------- Translated: "Google's revenues depend on a…
That sounds like a bunch of masturbatory cynicism to me. Are they wrong? If not, then exactly what type of language do you recommend they use to get their point across?
Re: Keep the Internet free and open
#19A petition has absolutely no effect on this process.
I think that #STOPSOPA has clearly demonstrated that a lot of people making noise can influence the United States at the very least; and the United States has a number of economic and political tools (I'm not including military tools here) that it can use to influence the decisions of many less than democratic regimes. Politicians are more willing to advocate the use of these tools publically if they think that 1) Pe…
Unfortunately, international policy making is even more opaque and convoluted than the US legislative process. ITU has been several years in the making, and at the penultimate meeting back in October, it's likely that almost all of the big decisions were finalized.
Re: Keep the Internet free and open
#20While I generally support what is being proposed here, Google as a company has a strong interested in "keep[ing] the Internet free and open" for them to sell their products. That doesn't make it wrong, it just means that if this was raised by organisations that don't have a clear commercial interest then it might improve the visibility.
I also think it's a good thing, that "big players" like google take a stand and say what they think. Even if they have financial interests, if Google wouldn't take a stand and rebel against such things, the internet would be much worst than it is today.