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Burnout is real for open source maintainers

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Re: Burnout is real for open source maintainers

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If you have a hobby project like writing a blog, crocheting, or almost any other creative hobby, you can dip in and out however it suits you. If you deal with major life events, sicknesses, etc., you can leave the hobby and come back. Nobody is paying you for it, so nobody can complain (maybe the friends who miss you, but it's not actively impacting the real world). Open source is one of those weird things where your…

and nobody is willing to pay for it.

Re: Burnout is real for open source maintainers

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> This conversation was initially just a phone call, but was so powerful that we decided to turn it into a blog and share the audio via YouTube i can tell - it looks like the blog post doesn't really add anything over a direct transcript of the call itself. it's just a bland summary of the really interesting story Dalton told

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Re: Burnout is real for open source maintainers

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post #11

If you have a hobby project like writing a blog, crocheting, or almost any other creative hobby, you can dip in and out however it suits you. If you deal with major life events, sicknesses, etc., you can leave the hobby and come back. Nobody is paying you for it, so nobody can complain (maybe the friends who miss you, but it's not actively impacting the real world). Open source is one of those weird things where your…

and nobody is willing to pay for it.

The value created vs value captured equation of OSS must be one of the most lopsided things ever.

If you’re at Google and invent Kubernetes you might still capture 0.000001% (probably less) of the economic value created by Kubernetes, but you probably enjoy very generous comp.

OSS doesn’t have any of that, besides being extremely in demand as a consultant or whatever.

Re: Burnout is real for open source maintainers

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I had an open source project (https://github.com/dheera/rosboard) that I burned out and didn't really do a good job continue maintaining.

* I was burned out from work politics at the same time, and had to prioritize fighting those work politics since that's what was paying me. By the end of each day at that company, I didn't feel like staring at a screen any more

* I would get a flurry of poorly-tested pull requests that would break it for some users

* I got lots of suggestions of which weren't well thought out for how to generalize

* No actually good engineer stepped up to say "I want to help with this"

* There was a commercial alternative that had gotten funding and they were better at marketing

Re: Burnout is real for open source maintainers

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post #3

This is unironically why the AGPL3 is the best license. No need to worry about "virality" or derivative works or any of that, just set it and forget it. On top of that, corporations will avoid you like the plague, ensuring that your audience is other AGPL3 users.

I've used MIT almost exclusively for anything I've published, under multiple identities, and seems to work fine too. What benefit would AGPL3 give me over MIT, in terms of avoiding burnout? So far, saying "No" or not working for free for companies, been working fine as an approach so far, but always open to hearing even better approaches.

It prevents the No from ever materializing because almost no one wants to use your code to build on top of.

Re: Burnout is real for open source maintainers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used MIT almost exclusively for anything I've published, under multiple identities, and seems to work fine too. What benefit would AGPL3 give me over MIT, in terms of avoiding burnout? So far, saying "No" or not working for free for companies, been working fine as an approach so far, but always open to hearing even better approaches.

It prevents the No from ever materializing because almost no one wants to use your code to build on top of.

How am I supposed to practice saying "No" in low-stakes situations then? :|

Re: Burnout is real for open source maintainers

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If you have a hobby project like writing a blog, crocheting, or almost any other creative hobby, you can dip in and out however it suits you. If you deal with major life events, sicknesses, etc., you can leave the hobby and come back. Nobody is paying you for it, so nobody can complain (maybe the friends who miss you, but it's not actively impacting the real world). Open source is one of those weird things where your…

When I was a kid, we always had New Year's (read: Christmas) decorations (the maximum that wouldn't be out of place in a mostly Muslim country) on a small park in my neighborhood. One year they never appeared, and people were enraged.

The guy the city hired every year had a mob in front of his door. People's letters to the authorities got no answer, so suddenly he apparently became their contact person. I was buying snacks in a nearby shop. I went out when I heard people shouting. They were shouting accusations at a guy who must have just appeared before his door because he was wearing pajamas in that cold weather.

"You Islamists will ruin this country! [0]

Happy with what you did? My children actually cried!"

and so on.

He calmly answered: "This is something I did on my own. This year I got a cancer diagnosis, so I didn't have the motivation. Sorry!"

Him feeling the need to apologize always comes to my mind when I see the toxic comments on their unpaid work that the open source maintainers feel that they need to respond to.

[0]: Well, they did ruin the country. But that's another story.

Re: Burnout is real for open source maintainers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am happy with the network solution AGPL provides on top of GPL. I think a new AGPL version needs to come out that addresses rewriting codebases with AI and claiming new original work.

How would you enforce that? I'm genuinely curious. It's nearly impossible to conclusively prove someone rewrote your codebase with AI.

I don't think you can, which is also why Open Source is effectively dead thanks to AI.
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