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Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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I'm considering the same thing. I've done the "contact your MP" thing, but it's a waste of time. You just receive a pre-written letter from some minimum wage assistant (or maybe just a bot). It's either that or I just consider the internet dead and move on. It's nothing like it was 20 years ago anyway. There are other things to do. Many books to read and places to go. We had something really cool and we were lucky to…

Depends on your MP. I have received surprisingly detailed responses to some of my past letters.

If they can't be arsed to answer you, then you shouldn't be arsed to vote for them, at least in my opinion.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

#12
I’m already using policy based routing on UniFi to send OSA censored websites, imgur for example, via Mullvad VPN - it works for the most part, but for any IPv6 websites it completely breaks as UniFi doesn’t support policy based routes for IPv6.

If the government blocks Mullvad then I’ll just switch to Wireguard on a Helsinki based VPS via Hetzner.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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> In the name of “online safety”, the fundamental rights of both freedom of expression and privacy appear to be under imminent threat.

The current UK government don't actually care about children, if they did then they would actually investigate the child SA gangs, or holding people to account on the Epstein lists. We have seen other countries such as Australia [1] "magically" have the same idea at the same time, so this is likely a global group influencing this push.

> The current proposal to ban people under 16 - who also have the rights to freedom of expression and privacy - from some (as yet not fully delineated) social media services is likely to result in wide-spread verification.

This is the real objective, it will be just like the UK porn verification [2]. To express yourself online, you will soon need to associate your activity with your real identity. With the discussion of clamping down on VPNs, it won't be long before you need to verify your ID just to connect to the internet.

This has been a long time coming. Years ago you could buy a sim card with money already on it, use it, and then throw it away. Now you need to associate some credit card or ID with the sim card and perform some verification process.

> And so, for the first time, I am considering locating something (perhaps a WireGuard node, or a SOCKS proxy, or a recursive DNS server / DNS proxy, or perhaps all of them) somewhere on the Internet outside the UK, so that I can route some traffic through that, as needed, to maintain my access to the web.

It won't be enough. At some point the UK government will just mandate that they should be allowed to perform deep packet inspection, and then there will be nowhere left to hide. These changes are also being rolled out everywhere - which Country do you trust to run your data through?

I remember the New Zealand Christchurch attack on a mosque, and how multiple governments around the world pressured Facebook to remove it entirely [3]. They were more worried about people seeing and sharing the attack, than the attack itself. The manifesto was entirely banned [4], and people were left entirely dependent on the state to convey a narrative about the attack.

I have a feeling that this all fell out of the "Christchurch Call" [5]. I don't think this recent push spearheaded by them, but I believe it had a large influence on the efforts now ongoing.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyp9d3ddqyo

[2] https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/protecting-children/a...

[3] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47620519

[4] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/24/censor-bans-ma...

[5] https://www.christchurchcall.org/

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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post #3

"people under 16", you mean children right? "who also have the rights to freedom of expression and privacy", plenty of outlets for people to be expressive in the UK (more so than in the US for example, where the right wing will obviously attack any social media restrictions) that don't involve being fed junk divisive content from mainly US tech companies. Privacy != anonymity. Feel free to route your traffic via Wire…

> Privacy != anonymity.

In practice, if you lose one, then you also lose the other.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Privacy != anonymity. Exactly. You can have your own misgivings about the UK government at home, in private, and share them with no-one. Or you can share them on the online public square, knowing the UK government will know exactly who wrote them. Good thing they never abuse their power of prosecution!

The government literally doesn't prosecute anyone. It is done by the CPS, which operates independently of government and the police. If I were a betting man I'd place a bet that you are further misinformed about the prosecutions you believe are happening and why. But I am not.

> It is done by the CPS, which operates independently of government and the police.

I should have written "state", not "government", you're right. Does that change anything? But, article 35 of the Chinese constitution guarantees their citizens freedom of speech and of the press. You're beyond naive if you believe they're independent.

> If I were a betting man I'd place a bet that you are further misinformed about the prosecutions you believe are happening and why.

UK politicians admitted the Online Safety Act was: “not primarily aimed at … the protection of children”, but was about regulating “services that have a significant influence over public discourse” - https://archive.md/2025.08.13-190800/https://www.thetimes.co...

Even viewing "terrorist" material carries a potential 15 YEAR jail term: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41479620

It's OK to be white and similar stickers landed a man in jail: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c51zn2l33r9o

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/04/the-tyrannical-jail...

I don't know how much worse you need it to be.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government literally doesn't prosecute anyone. It is done by the CPS, which operates independently of government and the police. If I were a betting man I'd place a bet that you are further misinformed about the prosecutions you believe are happening and why. But I am not.

> It is done by the CPS, which operates independently of government and the police. I should have written "state", not "government", you're right. Does that change anything? But, article 35 of the Chinese constitution guarantees their citizens freedom of speech and of the press. You're beyond naive if you believe they're independent. > If I were a betting man I'd place a bet that you are further misinformed about the…

I really do not know how to respond to this and it’s not because your critique is devastating.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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I'm considering the same thing. I've done the "contact your MP" thing, but it's a waste of time. You just receive a pre-written letter from some minimum wage assistant (or maybe just a bot). It's either that or I just consider the internet dead and move on. It's nothing like it was 20 years ago anyway. There are other things to do. Many books to read and places to go. We had something really cool and we were lucky to…

It’s hard to feel any enthusiasm for democracy watching things you disagree with being pushed through and having no power to stop it. I signed the petition to reverse the OSA and all we got was a canned response.

I’ve come to the conclusion the only thing you can really do is leave when you disagree with the direction of your country, but of course not everyone has the ability to do that.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

#18

The camp who think VPNs and Tor are a solution to government policies feel like disinformation at times. VPNs are trivial to ban, the IP space is well known, Wireguard is easily to fingerprint and block. It will be a cat and mouse game, if the government looses this they'll simply make it illegal to be caught using a VPN including Tor. Which is on the table. The only way this changes is a less crap party, but almost…

Really?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/28/reform-uk-v...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/reform-pledges-to-scra...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nigel-farage...

Zia Yusuf : "... criticised sections of the legislation that allow ministers to direct regulator Ofcom to modify its rules setting out how companies can comply with requirements to crack down on illegal or harmful content, saying it was “the sort of thing that I think (Chinese president) Xi Jinping himself would blush at the concept of”."

And the more radical Restore say this:

https://www.restorebritain.org.uk/restore_civil_liberties

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is done by the CPS, which operates independently of government and the police. I should have written "state", not "government", you're right. Does that change anything? But, article 35 of the Chinese constitution guarantees their citizens freedom of speech and of the press. You're beyond naive if you believe they're independent. > If I were a betting man I'd place a bet that you are further misinformed about the…

I really do not know how to respond to this and it’s not because your critique is devastating.

You can start by correcting any falsehoods I've written.

Re: Pondering routing more of my traffic via nodes outside the UK

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Privacy != anonymity. Exactly. You can have your own misgivings about the UK government at home, in private, and share them with no-one. Or you can share them on the online public square, knowing the UK government will know exactly who wrote them. Good thing they never abuse their power of prosecution!

The government literally doesn't prosecute anyone. It is done by the CPS, which operates independently of government and the police. If I were a betting man I'd place a bet that you are further misinformed about the prosecutions you believe are happening and why. But I am not.

The government literally doesn't prosecute anyone. It is done by the CPS, which the Prime Minister, Kier Starmer, was head of from 2007 to 2013.
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