Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

nochan.net

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

11–20 of 192 posts

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#11

Post by keernan »

There is no need for id. IMO granting children access to the internet is no different than handing a child a loaded gun with no safety. Both should be treated the same way. Make it illegal for parents or any adult to:

- purchase an internet capable device for anyone under the age of 18 (or whatever age is deemed appropriate to allow unfettered access without any ID)

- allow anyone under the age of 18 (or ##) to operate a device connected to the internet

That removes the government's attempted false flag operations to use "children's access to the internet" as the excuse to obtain the right to monitor every second of your online activity for the rest of your life.

And simultaneously likely saves our children's brains.

Edit: Hyperbole is an easy accusation. But the concept is straight forward:

If the internet is so dangerous as to require everyone to have government issued ID to get online, then change the law preventing smartphones and other internet mobile devices to be possessed by children. That's easy to do.

Put the burden on parents where it belongs to monitor their children in their own homes just as they do as gun owners (required to use gun lockers etc). If you are ok with your 10 year old being in his/her room online without you monitoring, then imo that's probably child abuser, but hey, go for it.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#12

Post by ikrenji »

nonethewiser wrote: post #5

Porn companies should be held liable for distributing porn to minors. Its already illegal. Denial about requiring basic KYC is causing all sorts of perverse solutions. Accept the requirement so we can have a sensible technical solution.

don't be so naive. if the billionaires want this, it can't be good for you. it really is that simple

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#13

Post by Aurornis »

keernan wrote: post #11

There is no need for id. IMO granting children access to the internet is no different than handing a child a loaded gun with no safety. Both should be treated the same way. Make it illegal for parents or any adult to: - purchase an internet capable device for anyone under the age of 18 (or whatever age is deemed appropriate to allow unfettered access without any ID) - allow anyone under the age of 18 (or ##) to opera…

> IMO granting children access to the internet is no different than handing a child a loaded gun with no safety.

The hyperbole is getting a little out of control.

> - allow anyone under the age of 18 (or ##) to operate a device connected to the internet

I don't understand how anyone can think that keeping kids entirely away from internet-connected devices through age 17 is possible or a good idea. These aren't serious comments or suggestions.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#14

Post by bethekidyouwant »

mentalgear wrote: post #3

> Pass laws requiring companies that use third party age or ID verification to take full legal culpability for that data. If any of the data is leaked they must pay each party $1 million dollars regardless of how or why the data was leaked. 300 identities leaked or sold? That will be 300 million dollars not counting criminal penalties. Should this lead to bankruptcy then it is working as intended as they are clearly…

Oh no not my LLC that keeps zero dollars on the books.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#15

Post by lobf »

Aurornis wrote: post #13
keernan wrote: post #11

There is no need for id. IMO granting children access to the internet is no different than handing a child a loaded gun with no safety. Both should be treated the same way. Make it illegal for parents or any adult to: - purchase an internet capable device for anyone under the age of 18 (or whatever age is deemed appropriate to allow unfettered access without any ID) - allow anyone under the age of 18 (or ##) to opera…

> IMO granting children access to the internet is no different than handing a child a loaded gun with no safety. The hyperbole is getting a little out of control. > - allow anyone under the age of 18 (or ##) to operate a device connected to the internet I don't understand how anyone can think that keeping kids entirely away from internet-connected devices through age 17 is possible or a good idea. These aren't seriou…

Not only that but like, if your child touches the screen in your car have you committed a crime? Using a smart fridge is verboten- speaking to the house's Alexa? Straight to jail.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#16

Post by [deleted] »

mentalgear wrote: post #3

> Pass laws requiring companies that use third party age or ID verification to take full legal culpability for that data. If any of the data is leaked they must pay each party $1 million dollars regardless of how or why the data was leaked. 300 identities leaked or sold? That will be 300 million dollars not counting criminal penalties. Should this lead to bankruptcy then it is working as intended as they are clearly…

[deleted]

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#17

Post by omoikane »

big85 wrote: post #4

I wonder why the rating code is so complex. Pornhub.com has this code enabled, but it also uses a simpler . 4chan also uses the latter.

I can't find any information on https://rtalabel.org/ to explain why that specific string, but I appreciate that the string being unique made it easy to find the official website, compared to something generic like "adult".

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#18

Post by Bender »

lobf wrote: post #15
Aurornis wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IMO granting children access to the internet is no different than handing a child a loaded gun with no safety. The hyperbole is getting a little out of control. > - allow anyone under the age of 18 (or ##) to operate a device connected to the internet I don't understand how anyone can think that keeping kids entirely away from internet-connected devices through age 17 is possible or a good idea. These aren't seriou…

Not only that but like, if your child touches the screen in your car have you committed a crime? Using a smart fridge is verboten- speaking to the house's Alexa? Straight to jail.

If a web client (fridge, infotainment system, alexa, etc...) can access the internet then it must be updated to look for RTA/adult headers and prompt for an admin password for parental controls to approve access to the site.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

#19

Post by Bender »

[deleted] wrote: post #16
mentalgear wrote: post #3

> Pass laws requiring companies that use third party age or ID verification to take full legal culpability for that data. If any of the data is leaked they must pay each party $1 million dollars regardless of how or why the data was leaked. 300 identities leaked or sold? That will be 300 million dollars not counting criminal penalties. Should this lead to bankruptcy then it is working as intended as they are clearly…

[deleted]

I think the only winning move is not to play. Instead just look for RTA/adult headers and if detected trigger parental controls prompting for the admin pw rather than collecting PII.
Post reply on HN