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Re: The AI Hate Progression

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Post by jcgrillo »

avaer wrote: post #3

A sentiment a lot of people can get behind, but at this point if AI is getting a do-over, society is getting a do-over, because the economic entanglements are not really fixable without a revolution of current capitalism. The amount of money that would evaporate if we did AI ethically is unfathomable. Most of big tech would collapse if they had to undo anything they did using stolen IP, as would a large section of th…

Just wait. It's becoming clearer by the day that tech has become a monoculture. It's basically to a first approximation just a crowd of frauds plagiarizing each other (with a few, rare exceptions). Monocultures collapse. To date, the "promise" of AI is still imaginary. It's not living up to the transformative, abundant expectations that are being set. I personally think it's a safe bet it never will--that is, to be economically viable on the scale that the market expects, it needs to actually become AGI. And I'm betting that won't happen.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

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Post by matchbok3 »

This is a nonsensical piece.

>You'll notice a trend here: Consent is just gone. It does not exist when AI enters the room in 90% of cases. Companies just foist it on you and tell you to shut up and like it, or leave.

This is ... not how consent works. At all.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

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Post by [deleted] »

ragequittah wrote: post #4
adamddev1 wrote: post #2

The lack of consent is real. As one of those viral commencement speakers who got booed said: "Find a way to say yes." My greater concern is that we are trading away hard earned truths for drastically inferred best guesses and slop that is just good enough to work. Search engine AI summaries flat out lie and deceive people all the time. LLM agents fudge over and cut corners. What people don't understand is the exponen…

>Search engine AI summaries flat out lie and deceive people all the time. What was the alternative you were using that gave you 100% accurate information before? Search engines lied all the time as well. As did news sites and any other place you could go to for information. AI just makes it easier to get the information people were already consuming.

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Re: The AI Hate Progression

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Post by Krssst »

ragequittah wrote: post #4
adamddev1 wrote: post #2

The lack of consent is real. As one of those viral commencement speakers who got booed said: "Find a way to say yes." My greater concern is that we are trading away hard earned truths for drastically inferred best guesses and slop that is just good enough to work. Search engine AI summaries flat out lie and deceive people all the time. LLM agents fudge over and cut corners. What people don't understand is the exponen…

>Search engine AI summaries flat out lie and deceive people all the time. What was the alternative you were using that gave you 100% accurate information before? Search engines lied all the time as well. As did news sites and any other place you could go to for information. AI just makes it easier to get the information people were already consuming.

The alternative before is that you knew where you were reading the information from. So you knew what level of trust to give each information.

AI summaries removes that ability from you, and even when it gives the source it may paraphrase it incorrectly just because LLMs are fundamentally unreliable. The level of trust to give LLM summaries is 0.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

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Post by adamddev1 »

rightbyte wrote: post #9
ragequittah wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Search engine AI summaries flat out lie and deceive people all the time. What was the alternative you were using that gave you 100% accurate information before? Search engines lied all the time as well. As did news sites and any other place you could go to for information. AI just makes it easier to get the information people were already consuming.

Adding an lying abstraction just makes noticeing lies even harder. Google's summary even lies about the sources for the lies.

So true. The last 3-4 times I have checked the sources did NOT say what the Google AI summary said they did.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

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Post by gonzalohm »

ragequittah wrote: post #4
adamddev1 wrote: post #2

The lack of consent is real. As one of those viral commencement speakers who got booed said: "Find a way to say yes." My greater concern is that we are trading away hard earned truths for drastically inferred best guesses and slop that is just good enough to work. Search engine AI summaries flat out lie and deceive people all the time. LLM agents fudge over and cut corners. What people don't understand is the exponen…

>Search engine AI summaries flat out lie and deceive people all the time. What was the alternative you were using that gave you 100% accurate information before? Search engines lied all the time as well. As did news sites and any other place you could go to for information. AI just makes it easier to get the information people were already consuming.

It's about the user of that information.

As a programmer, I'm comfortable judging the coding output of an LLM. But now, anyone can go and start building without any knowledge, and at first it may look fine, but you are creating software using a pretty weak foundation, bad maintainability, etc.

I think LLMs allow everyone to skip an important step of building anything, which is understanding how things work.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

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Post by happytoexplain »

ragequittah wrote: post #4
adamddev1 wrote: post #2

The lack of consent is real. As one of those viral commencement speakers who got booed said: "Find a way to say yes." My greater concern is that we are trading away hard earned truths for drastically inferred best guesses and slop that is just good enough to work. Search engine AI summaries flat out lie and deceive people all the time. LLM agents fudge over and cut corners. What people don't understand is the exponen…

>Search engine AI summaries flat out lie and deceive people all the time. What was the alternative you were using that gave you 100% accurate information before? Search engines lied all the time as well. As did news sites and any other place you could go to for information. AI just makes it easier to get the information people were already consuming.

This is a super common fallacy about how people "should" feel about AI reliability ("people are wrong too!").

People are wrong/lie in different ways from AI. We have highly developed personal heuristics about where to place human writing on a gradient from 0% to 100%, based on the source, the topic, and a hundred other variables we don't even realize we're ingesting. Even without a way to verify, we are comfortable with this state of affairs. AI lies in more randomly distributed, unpredictable, confident ways. Even giving the benefit of the doubt that these falsehoods are rarer than human falsehoods, it creates a constant background of cognitive stress (FUD) and a feeling of indignation.

Further, the "who is wrong more often" question is complicated because we ingest human-created and AI-created data in different contexts. But it seems both evident and intuitive that AI is wrong more often, as long as you accept "I don't know" as not being wrong. You can ask it anything, and it will much more rarely say "I don't know" than a human who also doesn't know would. For example, if you accidentally ask it a question that contains a false implication, it will more often than a human just assume your implication represents reality.

Also, nobody claimed 100%. It's a red flag to write in black-and-white like that.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

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Post by munk-a »

matchbok3 wrote: post #12

This is a nonsensical piece. >You'll notice a trend here: Consent is just gone. It does not exist when AI enters the room in 90% of cases. Companies just foist it on you and tell you to shut up and like it, or leave. This is ... not how consent works. At all.

It isn't how consent is supposed to work - but it's how rights currently operate. Maybe in the US (where a lot of these businesses are based) there will be a strong rebound during the next election? Right now as an artist (unless you've got disney lawyers behind you) you have no right to protect your art.

Re: The AI Hate Progression

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Post by ilovecake1984 »

jcgrillo wrote: post #11
avaer wrote: post #3

A sentiment a lot of people can get behind, but at this point if AI is getting a do-over, society is getting a do-over, because the economic entanglements are not really fixable without a revolution of current capitalism. The amount of money that would evaporate if we did AI ethically is unfathomable. Most of big tech would collapse if they had to undo anything they did using stolen IP, as would a large section of th…

Just wait. It's becoming clearer by the day that tech has become a monoculture. It's basically to a first approximation just a crowd of frauds plagiarizing each other (with a few, rare exceptions). Monocultures collapse. To date, the "promise" of AI is still imaginary. It's not living up to the transformative, abundant expectations that are being set. I personally think it's a safe bet it never will--that is, to be e…

It all depends on expectations. I find it useful.

The analogy I use is this. What was a bigger leap in productivity: assembly to vb6 or vb6 to Ai?

I think it’s definitely the first.

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