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Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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Is it the wages or that shitty one bedroom apartments go for $2000+

“I have seen people technically meet the 30% rule and still feel financially strained,” shares Linda Grizely, a certified financial planner and financial wellness speaker. “The pressure isn’t the rent alone; it’s the combination of rent plus everything else in their financial life."

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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Is it the wages or that shitty one bedroom apartments go for $2000+

In 1970 a $300/month apartment would be ~$2000/month in today dollars. I do think rents are too high as productivity and supply chains are much more efficient. I think in the 70s we were still using black pipe for gas, iron septic lines, and copper pipes for water. But, I don't think new builds or renovations are cheaper inflation adjusted (harder to estimate).

Cost of money (inflation), building, and maintenance is the floor for rents.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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> You know even on 2008 Krugman, who is known for making predictions that end up being wrong, was saying immigration depressed wages of Americans. Do you have evidence of this claim?

See Krugman vs Krugman: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/paul-krugma...

My bad, it was 2006.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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Is it the wages or that shitty one bedroom apartments go for $2000+

one bedroom (and living alone) is a luxury and always has been

Many localities will have co-living restrictions for single-family homes.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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Meanwhile Canada just speedran this.

Canadian wages were depressed even before the immigration wave. Every Canadian had a sibling or cousin who was living in America in the 90s and 2000s.

Heck, in 2000 the median household income in Canada was around US$32K [0] compared to US$42K in the US [1] despite CoL being roughly the same or higher.

If you want a boogeyman for why Canada stagnated, ask why your political class (both Conservatives and Liberals) turned energy in what is a de facto petrostate into an ideological war while American governers on both sides of the aisle backed both fossil and green energy projects (eg. Rick Perry and wind, Jerry Brown and oil in Bakersfield).

[0] - https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/82-221-x/2006001/t/41506...

[1] - https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2001/demo/p60-21...

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#17

Is it the wages or that shitty one bedroom apartments go for $2000+

one bedroom (and living alone) is a luxury and always has been

Not true.

Rent for one bedroom apartment was 500$ in 1998, cold / hot water included other utilities are extra.

I was making 35K back then and it was enough to afford relatively good living - car, groceries, gas, occasional meal for 2 at a restaurant.

And gas was 35cents on the Wet Coast of Canada.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

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Is it the wages or that shitty one bedroom apartments go for $2000+

Why not both? Wages are too low and rents are too high. The common factor: the capital class screwing over the working class.

Look at real, median household income. It's been going up and up. The things that have gone up in relative cost are housing (because we heavily regulate building it) and premium services like healthcare and education because of Baumol.
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