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Re: The Organism Will Do What It Pleases

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Curious, is there any video of expert D&D players playing? I used to be a big DM in my area back in the day (probably around 1981/82), but since the internet wasn't as prevelant there was a lot less communication about how the game was supposed to be played (and I wasn't in a large metro area -- so I pretty much set the rules for the town). To this day, I'm curious as to how the game should actually be played.

I'd imagine you'd be hard pressed to find a video of "expert players" playing D&D. And even if you did, I really doubt it would be overly thrilling to watch.

For what it's worth, RPGs are a rather specific thing, since they can only work if the given group works as a group. This form of gaming is a communal effort, a DM who doesn't adjust to what his players wish for will soon be without a group. Both the DM and the players are supposed to have fun. They might need some nudging here or there, but overall, they are just as much part of the process.

Most questions in any RPG forum I've ever seen center either around meta-gaming questions (rules and how to enforce/circumvent them) or about how to deal with situations that arise from a specific group constellation. If you have a group that likes the fighting but dislikes riddles, a DM avoiding juicy fights and drowning them in riddles does them a disservice. Most problems however arise from less homogenous groups, where some people fancy one thing while others would like to focus on others.

Ultimately, every group has to find out for itself what does work and does not work. Other people can give you hints, propose changes, improvements or overall just tell you about their experiences and how they deal with problems, in order for you to be able to compare their problems and solutions to your own.

[edit] Something like stackoverflow works in much the same way. The community can propose solutions to a specific question you put forward, based on their own experience and ideas, however, you will ultimately be responsible to figure out whether the proposed answers are right for you and your specific contexts and experiences.

Re: The Organism Will Do What It Pleases

#12

Curious, is there any video of expert D&D players playing? I used to be a big DM in my area back in the day (probably around 1981/82), but since the internet wasn't as prevelant there was a lot less communication about how the game was supposed to be played (and I wasn't in a large metro area -- so I pretty much set the rules for the town). To this day, I'm curious as to how the game should actually be played.

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Re: The Organism Will Do What It Pleases

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Ironically, I don't think Stackoverflow does this very well.

It's a good article, and the point of researching every wheel ever is a good point well made.

But as a long-time Stackoverflow user, I've been frustrated time and time again by cases where extremely valuable content emerges on StackOverflow, but then the moderators come along and kill it because "it is not the defined purpose of this site."

Now they have the right to define the rules & purpose for their own site. It wouldn't bother me so much if the content they were killing wasn't so fantastic. But I have seen so many deep, excellent, rich blobs of technical content get cut out and cast aside, for the sake of adherence to some superficial guideline.

It seems to be exactly the opposite of "seeing what your users are doing, then helping them do it."

Re: The Organism Will Do What It Pleases

#15

Ironically, I don't think Stackoverflow does this very well. It's a good article, and the point of researching every wheel ever is a good point well made. But as a long-time Stackoverflow user, I've been frustrated time and time again by cases where extremely valuable content emerges on StackOverflow, but then the moderators come along and kill it because "it is not the defined purpose of this site." Now they have th…

Well, as an extreme, and just for the purposes of setting boundaries, consider the case of pornography. Wildly popular.

It's sort of an open secret just how much traffic on Reddit comes from their NSFW subreddits: see https://twitter.com/codinghorror/status/154144207383171072

Should popular things always be encouraged?

http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popul...

Re: The Organism Will Do What It Pleases

#16

Ironically, I don't think Stackoverflow does this very well. It's a good article, and the point of researching every wheel ever is a good point well made. But as a long-time Stackoverflow user, I've been frustrated time and time again by cases where extremely valuable content emerges on StackOverflow, but then the moderators come along and kill it because "it is not the defined purpose of this site." Now they have th…

Well, as an extreme, and just for the purposes of setting boundaries, consider the case of pornography. Wildly popular. It's sort of an open secret just how much traffic on Reddit comes from their NSFW subreddits: see https://twitter.com/codinghorror/status/154144207383171072 Should popular things always be encouraged? http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popul...

The post you link to in that tweet only mentions one NSFW subreddit in the top 25, though. It's not a very good example of your point.

Re: The Organism Will Do What It Pleases

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, as an extreme, and just for the purposes of setting boundaries, consider the case of pornography. Wildly popular. It's sort of an open secret just how much traffic on Reddit comes from their NSFW subreddits: see https://twitter.com/codinghorror/status/154144207383171072 Should popular things always be encouraged? http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popul...

The post you link to in that tweet only mentions one NSFW subreddit in the top 25, though. It's not a very good example of your point.

True. In the original tweet I said literal or figurative porn, where figurative porn would be stuff that's overtly Digg-style entertainment junk food.

Maybe this is a better list:

http://redditlist.com/index.php

Re: The Organism Will Do What It Pleases

#19

Ironically, I don't think Stackoverflow does this very well. It's a good article, and the point of researching every wheel ever is a good point well made. But as a long-time Stackoverflow user, I've been frustrated time and time again by cases where extremely valuable content emerges on StackOverflow, but then the moderators come along and kill it because "it is not the defined purpose of this site." Now they have th…

Well, as an extreme, and just for the purposes of setting boundaries, consider the case of pornography. Wildly popular. It's sort of an open secret just how much traffic on Reddit comes from their NSFW subreddits: see https://twitter.com/codinghorror/status/154144207383171072 Should popular things always be encouraged? http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popul...

I'm not sure if you're just intentionally being ridiculous or mistakenly thinking that you've got a good reductio ad absurdum argument going on. In any case, why exactly are you conflating "wildly popular" with "extremely valuable?"

Even if the grandparent post was about popularity, your statement is as unconstructive as this argument would be:

A: "You're intentionally putting way too many non-criminals in jail."

B: 'Ah, but for the purpose of setting boundaries, consider the extreme case where we don't put anyone in jail at all.'

Re: The Organism Will Do What It Pleases

#20

Curious, is there any video of expert D&D players playing? I used to be a big DM in my area back in the day (probably around 1981/82), but since the internet wasn't as prevelant there was a lot less communication about how the game was supposed to be played (and I wasn't in a large metro area -- so I pretty much set the rules for the town). To this day, I'm curious as to how the game should actually be played.

Wizards of the Coast often puts up videos of celebrity D&D games: http://www.youtube.com/user/DNDWizards. There's a televised game at PAX every year, for example.
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