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Re: Open source AI must win

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Post by ijidak »

ks2048 wrote: post #5
glerk wrote: post #3

it is inevitable that it will win information wants to be free

“information wants to be free” - doesn’t seem correct. More like it’s easier to spread info than to hide it.

Intelligence is now data in the form of weights.

And once it leaks, it's permanently in the wild.

Interesting times.

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Post by avaer »

I agree with sentiment and mission, but the goal is inseparable from politics at this point.

Being Open Source (tm) will not protect you from the government/others imposing controls on your silicon or what it is allowed to do, which is already happening around the world.

Even having the models be open source won't fix the regulation or economic incentives. Which is not something you can compress into a couple of paragraphs.

AI is civilizational infrastructure and it needs civilizational solutions. Not just source.

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Post by impure »

Not to be that guy, but the correct term is Open Weight LLM. And I’d argue it already has. Many open models are already very competitive with closed models at a fraction of the cost.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

em-bee wrote: post #9

what is Open Source AI even? to me Open Source, like Free Software, is something i can run on my own computer. any AI system that runs on a computer that i do not control is by my definition not Open Source. so how then can Open Source AI win? it can't even compete. even if we collect enough money and create a dedicated Open Source organization to build and run a community owned AI datacenter, how does that help? so…

We can run open weight models on our own machines.

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Post by MaxPock »

Were it not for China, America would have restricted the most advanced models from being used outside the US. NATO members would have access to GPT-4, with some countries entirely blocked from AI.

Biden's GPU controls should give you an idea. Thank you, China. Open source AI must win.

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Post by thewebguyd »

george_max wrote: post #2

With open-weight AI, there might not be an incentive to put large sums of capital towards training / research. There might be a donation fund of some sorts, but it certainly won't reach the level of fundraising that the frontier labs are receiving. Because of this, I think it might not be possible to have AI *only* open-weight; major players like OpenAI, Anthropic, Google will likely stay for good, with better models…

I think the same, but I also think that local AI is actually inevitable, even if not open source models. I wouldn't be surprised to see OpenAI and others release an on-prem product. Whether that's effectively an appliance rack, or some other form, people (large companies) are going to want to run inference locally for data sovereignty & cost controls. Especially if we get to a point where companies want AI integrated into manufacturing and other air-gapped networks.

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Post by CharlesW »

Can we assume that the author isn't using "Opensource" to mean "Openweights"?

Or are we still collectively brainwashed by the strategic false equivalence established by Big AI CMOs?

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Post by em-bee »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #15
em-bee wrote: post #9

what is Open Source AI even? to me Open Source, like Free Software, is something i can run on my own computer. any AI system that runs on a computer that i do not control is by my definition not Open Source. so how then can Open Source AI win? it can't even compete. even if we collect enough money and create a dedicated Open Source organization to build and run a community owned AI datacenter, how does that help? so…

We can run open weight models on our own machines.

yes, but a model that runs on my own machine will never have the capacity of a model that runs in a datacenter. as i said, it can't compete with that.
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