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Ford CEO's Right to Repair Comment Should Make Every Car Owner Uncomfortable

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Re: Ford CEO's Right to Repair Comment Should Make Every Car Owner Uncomfortable

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Post by sidewndr46 »

alkonaut wrote: post #10
sidewndr46 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US the Magnuson Moss Warranty act explicitly forbids what you are describing

I think something similar applies in many parts of the world, _but_ I also think that the response from the OEMs is basically "fight the warranty claims hard when there is third party service involved, and just honor the warranty with a smile otherwise". Basically malicious compliance is what they have to resort to. And as a car owner I'm lazy and afraid of conflict. So I happily pay X% more for the service to get th…

the couple times I ran into this, I basically just threatened them with legal action & they relented

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Post by avgDev »

alkonaut wrote: post #10
sidewndr46 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US the Magnuson Moss Warranty act explicitly forbids what you are describing

I think something similar applies in many parts of the world, _but_ I also think that the response from the OEMs is basically "fight the warranty claims hard when there is third party service involved, and just honor the warranty with a smile otherwise". Basically malicious compliance is what they have to resort to. And as a car owner I'm lazy and afraid of conflict. So I happily pay X% more for the service to get th…

In order to deny a warranty claim the US, the manufacturer has to prove the issue has been caused by a modification or servicing.

Why would anyone want to service their call at a stealership? The prices are unfair and the quality of techs is awful. Better to find a small reliable shop.

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

Keep in mind this is the same CEO who is constantly complaining that he can't find enough mechanics. The solution is of course to import more of them, not train people here and as this article makes clear, not do anything to simplify or make more accessible repairs by the owners of the vehicles.

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Post by zardo »

functionmouse wrote: post #2

> “I think Ford’s position is very reasonable. We’re really a big advocate for the ability to repair a vehicle, but it has to be done at a reasonable cost, and—” > Freep’s journalist then jumped in with the same question I would have wanted to ask: “But you don’t want people repairing their own vehicles?” > Farley’s reply: “No, that’s, that’s fine, not for warranty work, though. These are very complicated cars, and w…

I don't think anyone expects Ford to directly pay owners for warranty work and just send them the instructions to do it.

The issue is whether a bonded and insured independent mechanic can be paid out for the warranty work.

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Post by RickJWagner »

deckar01 wrote: post #13

Slate is outsourcing service operations to any shop that wants to pay $50 to get certified. https://www.slate.auto/en/certified

Slate has my interest.

I don’t want to get stuck with a failed company EV, so I’ll be cautious. But man, they seem to have some good ideas so far.

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Post by deckar01 »

RickJWagner wrote: post #17
deckar01 wrote: post #13

Slate is outsourcing service operations to any shop that wants to pay $50 to get certified. https://www.slate.auto/en/certified

Slate has my interest. I don’t want to get stuck with a failed company EV, so I’ll be cautious. But man, they seem to have some good ideas so far.

From what I have read most of the recent EV companies failed due to investor shenanigans. Fisker and Coda made it to production promising ~$30-40k models, but only really delivered ~$50-70k models before they folded. Slate is posting videos of an operational factory building the model they advertised and seem confident it will be under $30k.

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Post by metalman »

I service everything I own, of which a significant portion are things built from parts, or rebuilds of broken things, or repurposing of things to do other things, or scratch buildt things, the latter bieng how I make money. I also "de-beep" everything, and nothing has a subscription or contract, except phone/data and web hosting. Also off grid electricly. So the anouncement of the supposed afordable electric truck from ford plus the headline above have my slitty eyed attention. pass.thanks but no thanks.
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