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Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by alephnerd »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #9
alephnerd wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Two things can be true at the same time. That you're right about "Freedom" Convoy (and "Alberta" seppies) etc. And that this a bad and harmful bill. Given CSIS has plenty of powers already and hasn't done anything to deal with the actions far right American (and domestic) groups, I don't see why I would trust them with my or my family's chat histories or why I should have to live without Signal or ProtonMail, etc. as…

> Given CSIS has plenty of powers already...

> hasn't done anything to deal with the actions far right American (and domestic) groups...

They don't. They are one of the weaker intel agencies amongst the five eyes (NZ is weakest) due to overlapping responsibilities and jurisdictions with the RCMP and Provincial law enforcement. And there are active issues with certain provincial LE agencies and foreign interference.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by hodder »

alephnerd wrote: post #5
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #2

There is not enough noise about this bill. It's horrific. If you're Canadian, call your MP and raise a stink. The Liberals need to be shown quite explicitly by people in our profession how this will harm our industry, in addition to harming the privacy rights of our citizens; and it seems like conservatives are not planning on opposing this bill (just want it split in half) and the NDP is the only party raising real…

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You cannot be serious. The Freedom convoy may have been misinformed but the government response was an absolute disaster and the courts have agreed.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by alephnerd »

fidotron wrote: post #8

While deeply unlikely to change anything it really is important as much noise is made about this as possible. On top of this will be C-34 which is just full no privacy anymore territory https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2026/06/everything-all-at-once-b... The gov do all this and then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses leaving all the value being captured…

> then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses...

That's not why an indigenous Canadian tech industry is non-existent.

Heck, China, Israel, India, South Korea, and Taiwan all have larger tech industries than Canada and have much stricter internet speech requirements (and in Israel and Taiwan's case are much smaller than Canada population wise).

Canadian tech is nonexistent because every Canadian pension fund, family office, and bank prefers to invest in American equities over Canadian equities.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

hodder wrote: post #12
alephnerd wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You cannot be serious. The Freedom convoy may have been misinformed but the government response was an absolute disaster and the courts have agreed.

"Misinformed" is a strange word for what was clearly an attempt at a coup, with massive amounts of foreign money involved?

The RCMP and other agencies and the province were not doing their job. I was not a fan of Trudeau, but I don't really know what they could have done to resolve the situation.

(And that is in fact one of the reasons I'm suspicious and critical of this bill. I don't think giving law enforcement agencies additional powers will resolve anything, as when push comes to shove they are often full of people on the same side as the malevolent forces that sibling / parent commenter is referring to)

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by hodder »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #9
alephnerd wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Two things can be true at the same time. That you're right about "Freedom" Convoy (and "Alberta" seppies) etc. And that this a bad and harmful bill. Given CSIS has plenty of powers already and hasn't done anything to deal with the actions far right American (and domestic) groups, I don't see why I would trust them with my or my family's chat histories or why I should have to live without Signal or ProtonMail, etc. as…

Voting for separation (as oppose to actually separating) is absolutely in the best interest of most Albertans.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by giantg2 »

alephnerd wrote: post #13
fidotron wrote: post #8

While deeply unlikely to change anything it really is important as much noise is made about this as possible. On top of this will be C-34 which is just full no privacy anymore territory https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2026/06/everything-all-at-once-b... The gov do all this and then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses leaving all the value being captured…

> then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses... That's not why an indigenous Canadian tech industry is non-existent. Heck, China, Israel, India, South Korea, and Taiwan all have larger tech industries than Canada and have much stricter internet speech requirements (and in Israel and Taiwan's case are much smaller than Canada population wise). Canadian…

A lot of the Indian tech industry is really just the tech industry from other countries being outsourced to there.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by [deleted] »

alephnerd wrote: post #5
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #2

There is not enough noise about this bill. It's horrific. If you're Canadian, call your MP and raise a stink. The Liberals need to be shown quite explicitly by people in our profession how this will harm our industry, in addition to harming the privacy rights of our citizens; and it seems like conservatives are not planning on opposing this bill (just want it split in half) and the NDP is the only party raising real…

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Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

hodder wrote: post #15
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two things can be true at the same time. That you're right about "Freedom" Convoy (and "Alberta" seppies) etc. And that this a bad and harmful bill. Given CSIS has plenty of powers already and hasn't done anything to deal with the actions far right American (and domestic) groups, I don't see why I would trust them with my or my family's chat histories or why I should have to live without Signal or ProtonMail, etc. as…

Voting for separation (as oppose to actually separating) is absolutely in the best interest of most Albertans.

Oh. I see. Now I regret engaging with you at all on the other comment.

My SIN begins with a 6 and my whole family is still there, and you're wrong as hell, and the majority of Albertans agree with me and Smith would never have been elected if she'd run on this.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by giantg2 »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #14
hodder wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot be serious. The Freedom convoy may have been misinformed but the government response was an absolute disaster and the courts have agreed.

"Misinformed" is a strange word for what was clearly an attempt at a coup, with massive amounts of foreign money involved? The RCMP and other agencies and the province were not doing their job. I was not a fan of Trudeau, but I don't really know what they could have done to resolve the situation. (And that is in fact one of the reasons I'm suspicious and critical of this bill. I don't think giving law enforcement age…

This is the first I've heard that called a coup. Was there and actual overthrow attempt?

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by alephnerd »

giantg2 wrote: post #16
alephnerd wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses... That's not why an indigenous Canadian tech industry is non-existent. Heck, China, Israel, India, South Korea, and Taiwan all have larger tech industries than Canada and have much stricter internet speech requirements (and in Israel and Taiwan's case are much smaller than Canada population wise). Canadian…

A lot of the Indian tech industry is really just the tech industry from other countries being outsourced to there.

Sure foreign players do play a role, yet it still has the 4th largest VC dealflow [0] in the world ($9.3B) at 2x the size of Canada's entire market which highlights a significantly larger market. And unlike Canadian startups, most Indian startups IPO domestically [1] thus building a self-sustaining capital market

[0] - https://dealroom.co/guides/global

[1] - https://internationalbanker.com/finance/india-is-undergoing-...

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