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Starfish by Peter Watts (1999)

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Re: Starfish by Peter Watts (1999)

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The whole Rifters trilogy (quadrilogy?) is amazing, Starfish is actually my least favourite of the Rifters' books but still really good.

The villain Achilles Desjardins (I don't think he shows up in Starfish? been some time since I read it) is possibly one of the most villainous and sociopath characters I've ever read in a book.

Re: Starfish by Peter Watts (1999)

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The whole Rifters trilogy (quadrilogy?) is amazing, Starfish is actually my least favourite of the Rifters' books but still really good. The villain Achilles Desjardins (I don't think he shows up in Starfish? been some time since I read it) is possibly one of the most villainous and sociopath characters I've ever read in a book.

His Sunflowers series is great too. Maybe my favorite (after Blindsight, of course).

Read for free on his webite: https://www.rifters.com/real/shorts/PeterWatts_TheIsland.pdf

Or collected in The Freeze-Frame Revolution here: https://www.amazon.com/Freeze-Frame-Revolution-Peter-Watts-e...

Re: Starfish by Peter Watts (1999)

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No one has ever made me feel horror and despair like Peter Watts. His books stare directly into the abyss. I think it's what makes the hope you feel at the end seem earned. If you haven't read his work but you spend time thinking about HCI, you should.

I see people differently after reading Blindsight; The picture is much darker , concretely more accurate, with what light is there geared to all hell and so much brighter. I'm better for it and at a greater peace.

Eh, I love blindsight, but I really think it oversold the case against consciousness and for belligerent intelligent life.

Re: Starfish by Peter Watts (1999)

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I need to give this a re-read. I really enjoyed my Blindsight re-read recently. But Starfish and Maelstrom after it are such uhh, not to pun to hard but, such high pressure intense sci-fi stories. Amazing ambiance, creeping horror, in such incredible backdrops. Watts just kept going with his universe. It was and is so good. Such an incredible reflection of the world at the time of writing, and I've found it's lost so…

Recently finished the Starfish quadrilogy and adored it as well. One thing I particularly like is how this theme of evolutionary pressure applies to everyone alike; characters, software, ideologies, neural nets. Also Watts manages to conjure this feeling of future shock I've only previously felt with Charles Stross' work.

Honestly, I thought the Behemoth pair dragged a bit - I suspect it might have worked better as a more tightly-edited single volume.

(Sue Burke's Semiosis trilogy is worth a read, too, in a similar evolutionary SF vein.)

Re: Starfish by Peter Watts (1999)

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post #6

No one has ever made me feel horror and despair like Peter Watts. His books stare directly into the abyss. I think it's what makes the hope you feel at the end seem earned. If you haven't read his work but you spend time thinking about HCI, you should.

I see people differently after reading Blindsight; The picture is much darker , concretely more accurate, with what light is there geared to all hell and so much brighter. I'm better for it and at a greater peace.

I quite enjoyed Blindsight, but that was not my takeaway at all :P How do you see people differently after reading it?

Re: Starfish by Peter Watts (1999)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see people differently after reading Blindsight; The picture is much darker , concretely more accurate, with what light is there geared to all hell and so much brighter. I'm better for it and at a greater peace.

Eh, I love blindsight, but I really think it oversold the case against consciousness and for belligerent intelligent life.

It wasn't a competition though just mutual incompatibility: aliens so alien that we can barely comprehend their motives and are implicitly regarded as hostile by our manner of existence.

I'd say the case it was making has only become more relevant with the chatbot age.

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