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New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by bpye »

Insanity wrote: post #3
MilnerRoute wrote: post #2

Tufts University asked an academic what the financial results were for the UK: "The British GDP has been reduced by 6–8%, business investment has been reduced by 12%, and trade volume has been reduced by 15%, compared to what it could have been if the U.K. had remained in the EU." https://now.tufts.edu/2026/06/08/10-years-after-brexit-vote-...

Which is pretty much aligned with what more level-headed people predicted would happen, if my memory is correct. There was a strong push for UK to leave EU, but it was more based on emotion than rational. Of course the 'right' used the narrative of prosperity to get votes, but it never really made sense economically to leave the strong economic power of the EU and try to be independent again. The UK is not the empire…

> Which is pretty much aligned with what more level-headed people predicted would happen, if my memory is correct.

Of course this was painted as "project fear", and Michael Gove famously said that people had had enough of experts.

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by dijksterhuis »

Dig1t wrote: post #8
noncoml wrote: post #5

I don’t buy it. They are getting ready make Farage a prime minister, based on the exact same premise: xenophobia.

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As someone who is white british -- this isn't happening. Please stop regurgitating right wing US talk show talking points. It's boring.

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by jltsiren »

noncoml wrote: post #5

I don’t buy it. They are getting ready make Farage a prime minister, based on the exact same premise: xenophobia.

Those two outcomes are not mutually exclusive. A first-past-the-post system can give the power to a minority, if the opposing votes are divided. In the 2024 elections, Labour got a third of the votes but almost two thirds of the seats.

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by bonzini »

gadders wrote: post #6
MilnerRoute wrote: post #2

Tufts University asked an academic what the financial results were for the UK: "The British GDP has been reduced by 6–8%, business investment has been reduced by 12%, and trade volume has been reduced by 15%, compared to what it could have been if the U.K. had remained in the EU." https://now.tufts.edu/2026/06/08/10-years-after-brexit-vote-...

The first time in history people have been able to accurately predict a counter-factual. Of course, any economic gains weren't guaranteed and were predicated on competent national government and we saw what happened there. However, net-net, I'd rather have one shite layer of government, rather than two.

> However, net-net, I'd rather have one shite layer of government, rather than two.

To make a parallel that might work for California or NY. In Europe however there is no single country that is so much better than the others at making money, in the same way as those two. Even countries that didn't enter the EU (Switzerland, Norway) accepted most of the EU regulations because they need some of them.

The UK in that respect already had the sweetest deal of all EU members; and, unlike Switzerland or Norway, actually had a say on the regulations that it had to follow. Plus, they had and have a messy situation due to (non-EU-related and therefore unaffected by Brexit) agreements that the border with Ireland cannot be a customs union, so the only thing a competent national government could do was to tell people they had been duped and promised something impossible. The result would have been a Switzerland- or Norway-like non-membership, with small benefits and less power in the EU.

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by zuzululu »

None of this should be surprising unless you've been just gobbling up whatever you heard through mainstream media.

Britain is at a breaking point. There are existential questions to be asked:

Is Britain British without British Bourgeoisie that have lived there for thousands of years with new arrivals that have no commmon culture or connection to the land?

Can Japan be called Japan without Japanese that have lived there for thousands of years and their homogeneous identity?

Why is it okay for one but not the other? Where does this double standard come from ?

The fact is the loudest voice in the room so far has never been representative of the answer to the above questions.

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by calvinmorrison »

MilnerRoute wrote: post #2

Tufts University asked an academic what the financial results were for the UK: "The British GDP has been reduced by 6–8%, business investment has been reduced by 12%, and trade volume has been reduced by 15%, compared to what it could have been if the U.K. had remained in the EU." https://now.tufts.edu/2026/06/08/10-years-after-brexit-vote-...

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Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by [deleted] »

jltsiren wrote: post #13
noncoml wrote: post #5

I don’t buy it. They are getting ready make Farage a prime minister, based on the exact same premise: xenophobia.

Those two outcomes are not mutually exclusive. A first-past-the-post system can give the power to a minority, if the opposing votes are divided. In the 2024 elections, Labour got a third of the votes but almost two thirds of the seats.

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