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Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by matheusmoreira »

BoiledCabbage wrote: post #8
Eridrus wrote: post #4

It seems like this is measuring algorithms against the disparate impact standard of all demographic groups needing to have the same aggregate results. Which is extra weird because the samples to this are applications, not humans, so this is subject to bias in how people apply to these positions. So if a demographic group is more likely to apply to some jobs they are not qualified for, this paper would say they are be…

> So if a demographic group is more likely to apply to some jobs they are not qualified for, this paper would say they are being discriminated against. Your understanding appears to be incorrect. > Our research also found that this pattern does not appear to be the case in other circumstances. We analyzed data from the largest prior study of hiring decisions, which sent 83,000 applications to 108 Fortune 500 firms du…

> There is a single evaluation function for the industry

Could this be an opportunity in disguise? Somehow learn what this function wants, maximize it, then the entire industry opens up?

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by mrkeen »

This is keeping me out of work at the moment.

The usual flow is that I have a great HR interview, then I'm assigned an online intelligence (what dots should be in the next box) test and a personality test, and then the company wants nothing to do with me.

They manage to screen me out before I have the opportunity to talk about anything computing related.

(The old horror-stories of 'I couldn't reverse a BST on a whiteboard so I didn't get the job' seem wonderful in comparison now. The non-computing people have captured the hiring pipeline into computing companies)

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by ddejohn »

mrkeen wrote: post #13

This is keeping me out of work at the moment. The usual flow is that I have a great HR interview, then I'm assigned an online intelligence (what dots should be in the next box) test and a personality test, and then the company wants nothing to do with me. They manage to screen me out before I have the opportunity to talk about anything computing related . (The old horror-stories of 'I couldn't reverse a BST on a whit…

I am miserably bad at soft-skills interviews and never get past this round. Been over a year since I've had somebody actually try to assess my technical competency in any real capacity.

I'm also getting maybe 1 INITIAL interview every 3 months right now because of this AI screening stuff and I just haven't felt like re-writing my resume to game them.

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by teiferer »

ddejohn wrote: post #14
mrkeen wrote: post #13

This is keeping me out of work at the moment. The usual flow is that I have a great HR interview, then I'm assigned an online intelligence (what dots should be in the next box) test and a personality test, and then the company wants nothing to do with me. They manage to screen me out before I have the opportunity to talk about anything computing related . (The old horror-stories of 'I couldn't reverse a BST on a whit…

I am miserably bad at soft-skills interviews and never get past this round. Been over a year since I've had somebody actually try to assess my technical competency in any real capacity. I'm also getting maybe 1 INITIAL interview every 3 months right now because of this AI screening stuff and I just haven't felt like re-writing my resume to game them.

> miserably bad at soft-skills interviews

Is that because of an actual lack of soft skills or is it because the interviews are bad?

> I just haven't felt like re-writing my resume to game them.

Not defending the AI interview assistance BS, but if you wanted a job bad enough then you'd eventually do this, not the latest after several months?

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by vintermann »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #10
dhosek wrote: post #3

This is just one of many reasons why my current job is likely to be my last. I feel like so much of modern life is just irredeemably broken right now.

Could join those in the slow life, invest in passive revenue streams, and keep cash burn rates minimal. You will be fine avoiding debt-based indentured 1980 metropolitan cultures. Learn to play a cheap instrument, garden vegetables, paint miniatures, volunteer at pet shelters, or travel to odd destinations. Play the long game, and remember to have fun. You owe corporate nothing outside what they paid for... and not a…

Passive revenue streams are dependent on someone else not having access to those passive revenue streams.

Yes, it would be great to be free of debt, but for me it would have to mean moving away to somewhere real estate prices are not only low, but dropping for all too understandable reasons. And also a huge distance away from friends and family. There's a reason people mostly don't do this, and it's not that they feel a moral obligation to corporate.

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by awesome_dude »

ddejohn wrote: post #14
mrkeen wrote: post #13

This is keeping me out of work at the moment. The usual flow is that I have a great HR interview, then I'm assigned an online intelligence (what dots should be in the next box) test and a personality test, and then the company wants nothing to do with me. They manage to screen me out before I have the opportunity to talk about anything computing related . (The old horror-stories of 'I couldn't reverse a BST on a whit…

I am miserably bad at soft-skills interviews and never get past this round. Been over a year since I've had somebody actually try to assess my technical competency in any real capacity. I'm also getting maybe 1 INITIAL interview every 3 months right now because of this AI screening stuff and I just haven't felt like re-writing my resume to game them.

It could be that those HR teams are engaging in some busy work - pretending to be looking for candidates so they/their company looks busier.

Re: Algorithmic Monocultures in Hiring

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Post by typoname »

jmyeet wrote: post #2

This sort of thing needs to be illegal. We saw a similar thing wtih RealPage. So many corporate landlords use it that it essentially becomes anticompetitive price-fixing. I've heard a claim that an issue with these ATS AI Systems is that your CV gets scored and that score is cached for some period from 3 to 12 months. So any application with a completely different company with your name will just yield the exact same…

Is it... illegal... to put white characters on your name field? Just thinking out loud here, but what if we fed the AI (and ONLY the AI) a different name for every role. By adding two invisible characters on the space between your name? Would it then make a new index?
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