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Japan declines to join movement to ban youth from social media

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Re: Japan declines to join movement to ban youth from social media

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For context, Japanese mobile lines for children include net filtering by default. Also, mobile lines require positive ID to get, so you can't simply get a burner mobile line. A phone number that can send or receive phone calls or SMS is tied to a real world identity, and transferring is illegal. So, a neat way of requiring ID checks is to simply offload these things to carriers with phone number validation. In contra…

> In contrast, the US is an example of a country where getting a phone number with no stringent ID check is trivial and it can easily do SMS and phone calls without a second glance. And the funny part: you buy it from the at&t store, you start receiving dodgy calls and texts almost immediately because those numbers are recycled.

There are people who make a living by intentionally getting recycled numbers and then suing telemarketers that call or text them.

A search for "professional TCPA plaintiffs", reveals some interesting links:

https://www.leadgen-economy.com/blog/serial-tcpa-litigators-...

https://www.consumerfinancialserviceslawmonitor.com/2023/09/...

Re: Japan declines to join movement to ban youth from social media

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For context, Japanese mobile lines for children include net filtering by default. Also, mobile lines require positive ID to get, so you can't simply get a burner mobile line. A phone number that can send or receive phone calls or SMS is tied to a real world identity, and transferring is illegal. So, a neat way of requiring ID checks is to simply offload these things to carriers with phone number validation. In contra…

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Re: Japan declines to join movement to ban youth from social media

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You think your children are “yours”? No, you’re a custodian. You raise their future workforce. Don’t step out of line.

How about people belong to neither their parents nor the government, but they still have to be raised in some way by someone?

I’m not an idealist myself. Simply telling where we are. It’s always been like that.

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There's a difference between the internet in the 90s and today, though. If those of us fortunate enough to have experienced the early-ish days of the internet grew up using 5 platforms, we probably wouldn't be so nostalgic. Beating back big tech and their grip has to be priority number 1 into reclaiming the intenrnet. Nobody bats an eyelid at how gambling sites block out kids. We should be pushing for a world where b…

Correct. The right framing is govt vs big tech. If you support the latter over the former you are an idiot.

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Re: Japan declines to join movement to ban youth from social media

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> In contrast, the US is an example of a country where getting a phone number with no stringent ID check is trivial and it can easily do SMS and phone calls without a second glance. And the funny part: you buy it from the at&t store, you start receiving dodgy calls and texts almost immediately because those numbers are recycled.

There are people who make a living by intentionally getting recycled numbers and then suing telemarketers that call or text them. A search for "professional TCPA plaintiffs", reveals some interesting links: https://www.leadgen-economy.com/blog/serial-tcpa-litigators-... https://www.consumerfinancialserviceslawmonitor.com/2023/09/...

TBH I can't see any problem with this approach.

Re: Japan declines to join movement to ban youth from social media

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are people who make a living by intentionally getting recycled numbers and then suing telemarketers that call or text them. A search for "professional TCPA plaintiffs", reveals some interesting links: https://www.leadgen-economy.com/blog/serial-tcpa-litigators-... https://www.consumerfinancialserviceslawmonitor.com/2023/09/...

TBH I can't see any problem with this approach.

Me either. I'm tempted to call them "heroes".

Re: Japan declines to join movement to ban youth from social media

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There's a difference between the internet in the 90s and today, though. If those of us fortunate enough to have experienced the early-ish days of the internet grew up using 5 platforms, we probably wouldn't be so nostalgic. Beating back big tech and their grip has to be priority number 1 into reclaiming the intenrnet. Nobody bats an eyelid at how gambling sites block out kids. We should be pushing for a world where b…

Correct. The right framing is govt vs big tech. If you support the latter over the former you are an idiot.

How about no govt or corpos? Just ask the damn ISP to provide filtered DNS' and just don't give any smarphone to children until they hit 14-15.

Re: Japan declines to join movement to ban youth from social media

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Correct. The right framing is govt vs big tech. If you support the latter over the former you are an idiot.

How about no govt or corpos? Just ask the damn ISP to provide filtered DNS' and just don't give any smarphone to children until they hit 14-15.

>no gov >no corpo (aren't most ISPs corpos?)

I'd like to plot 'quality of government' vs 'quality of ISPs' on the market. Do the most anarachist/libertarian nations have OP tier internet with 0 censorship? Do the usual suspects in the top 10 of every quality of life measure push for censorship at every step?

Wonder what the outliers are.

Think I might like the idea of 'youth' simcards which have to be bought by parents. No censorship by parents, but they can sign away censorship and data limits/DNS blocking for kids? Is it even possible to enforce this is parents don't have similar restrictions?

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