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Why China got rich and India didn't

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Re: Why China got rich and India didn't

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It’s been kind of obvious to me that China did it by copying what America was doing from the post Civil War era until we abandoned the formula in the 1970s.

China calls it “iron and salt” I think. The state makes very large investments in infrastructure and helps build huge globally competitive conglomerates in strategic and bedrock industries. The state builds the “iron.” Then it allows the free market to do the “salt,” because while big state enterprise is good at doing stuff like mass steel production or the three gorges dam it’s horrible at making consumer goods or filling small niches.

(The USSR tried to have the state do the iron and the salt.)

America started doing this in a big way with the railroads. Then came roads, aviation, petroleum, electrification of the entire country, bringing clean water and sanitation to the whole country, huge public works projects, the interstate highway system, the space program, DARPAnet, and so on.

Then we stopped doing this kind of bedrock investment, being sold on the idea that it’s not necessary. Then we lost our lead in all industries except… the ones we still do this in like aerospace.

Re: Why China got rich and India didn't

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post #11

It’s been kind of obvious to me that China did it by copying what America was doing from the post Civil War era until we abandoned the formula in the 1970s. China calls it “iron and salt” I think. The state makes very large investments in infrastructure and helps build huge globally competitive conglomerates in strategic and bedrock industries. The state builds the “iron.” Then it allows the free market to do the “sa…

I doubt investment in railroads or aviation in the US was anything close to majority-government. I'd be shocked if the government's share of cumulative investment in petroleum production since 1859 (the start of commercial production when Edwin Drake's well near Titusville, Pennsylvania, struck oil) was above 2%.

Re: Why China got rich and India didn't

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post #11

It’s been kind of obvious to me that China did it by copying what America was doing from the post Civil War era until we abandoned the formula in the 1970s. China calls it “iron and salt” I think. The state makes very large investments in infrastructure and helps build huge globally competitive conglomerates in strategic and bedrock industries. The state builds the “iron.” Then it allows the free market to do the “sa…

>Then we stopped doing this kind of bedrock investment, being sold on the idea that it’s not necessary. Then we lost our lead in all industries except… the ones we still do this in like aerospace.

Where's environmentalism and financializationn in all this?

We didn't "just" stop. We didn't close all those steel plants and whatnot for fun.

Re: Why China got rich and India didn't

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The comment under does make sense. We have to explain Taiwan, Korea, and Japan as well. If the difference is 1950s actions then Taiwan in particular is unexplained, having diverged in 1949.

Though the cotton mill productivity does challenge the idea that it’s genetics or something inherent. Interesting problem for sure.

Re: Why China got rich and India didn't

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If the author is reading - China is a single party nation state, India is a union of states. Dive into the metrics of states, you will find everything from Sub-sharan Africa levels of HDI to the ones that compete with European countries.

China has more political parties in parliament than the USA. Stop spreading FUD

A Chinese person cannot vote for any party except the CCP or if they can, the voting is performative cannot remove the CCP from its position of absolute control.

Re: Why China got rich and India didn't

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If the author is reading - China is a single party nation state, India is a union of states. Dive into the metrics of states, you will find everything from Sub-sharan Africa levels of HDI to the ones that compete with European countries.

How is China (or any other country) any different except the same thing shifted upward? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_administrative_divisio...

In case of China, the extend to which the central government can set laws and policies far exceeds what’s possible in India. India’s powers are split into Federal, State and “Concurrent” lists. Health and education for example is a state and concurrent list subject respectively, to which the “Indian Government” has only very limited say. So it’s apples to oranges when it comes to comparing investments in those domains.
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