Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

bbc.co.uk

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

11–20 of 157 posts

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

#11

Post by stavros »

Kiterman wrote: post #8
elcritch wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See I could agree with the first part. But then you add We have broken our world for the greed of a few . After that I sort of understand why so many folks reject the former – they're rejecting the empty moralizing. If you truly believe climate change is real then also admit that "We all have broken the world", except perhaps some uncontacted peoples in the Amazon. Anyone who has ridden in an automobile, a train, a p…

If it weren't for oil companies going out of their way to sabotage alternative fuels through politicians, misinformation, and a myriad of other abuses I'd be more inclined to believe you. Not everyone is equally culpable in this, there are many who have been trying to get rid of oil as the main fuel source for a long time.

Hell, even Greenpeace had a huge campaign against nuclear, ensuring we burn coal for decades more than we should have.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

#12

Post by baq »

elcritch wrote: post #7
jyounker wrote: post #2

"But global warming is a hoax. And even if it wasn't it's not our fault. People couldn't be the cause. And even if it is our fault there's nothing we could do about it." We have broken our world for the greed of a few. History will not be kind to us.

See I could agree with the first part. But then you add We have broken our world for the greed of a few . After that I sort of understand why so many folks reject the former – they're rejecting the empty moralizing. If you truly believe climate change is real then also admit that "We all have broken the world", except perhaps some uncontacted peoples in the Amazon. Anyone who has ridden in an automobile, a train, a p…

two things can be true at the same time. oil and coal before it pulled billions of people out of extreme poverty, but the debt taken on in terms of CO2 will come due. if the gulf stream stops, we're all in for a ride - or worse, our grandchildren.

I'm personally in the 'drill and burn as fast as possible in a mad rush to fusion power' camp so we get a way to fix this shit rather than the 'stop civilization from doing its thing overnight' camp. alas, neither is happening.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

#13

Post by prawn »

antonymoose wrote: post #9
childofhedgehog wrote: post #5

We know that cutting down trees increases heat and intensifies drought but we continue to do it, how bad do things need to get before we reverse course?

[flagged]

Educate women? Isn’t that broadly considered to reduce birth rate?

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

#14

Post by scott_w »

antonymoose wrote: post #9
childofhedgehog wrote: post #5

We know that cutting down trees increases heat and intensifies drought but we continue to do it, how bad do things need to get before we reverse course?

[flagged]

Pretty sure there’s a middle ground between “forced sterilisation” and “boil humans to death in 50°C heat,” don’t you?

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

#15

Post by RunningDroid »

antonymoose wrote: post #9
childofhedgehog wrote: post #5

We know that cutting down trees increases heat and intensifies drought but we continue to do it, how bad do things need to get before we reverse course?

[flagged]

Hint: The birth rate of a population is inversely correlated with wealth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_and_fertility

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

#16

Post by probably_wrong »

elcritch wrote: post #7
jyounker wrote: post #2

"But global warming is a hoax. And even if it wasn't it's not our fault. People couldn't be the cause. And even if it is our fault there's nothing we could do about it." We have broken our world for the greed of a few. History will not be kind to us.

See I could agree with the first part. But then you add We have broken our world for the greed of a few . After that I sort of understand why so many folks reject the former – they're rejecting the empty moralizing. If you truly believe climate change is real then also admit that "We all have broken the world", except perhaps some uncontacted peoples in the Amazon. Anyone who has ridden in an automobile, a train, a p…

Not everyone's footprint is the same, though.

If I cut down my plane flight in half that means I'll take a plane every two years, meaning I'll also see my family half as much. You'd also have to include that, since I travel economy, you'd divide my contribution by ~350.

If Taylor Swift cuts her plane travel by half she'd "only" make 51 trips a year [1] on a plane that carries 12 and would still make more money in a year than what I'll see in my lifetime.

IMO, saying that both of us are contributing equally as much to global warming is just unfair.

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/taylor-swift-spent-160-hours...

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

#17

Post by actionfromafar »

baq wrote: post #12
elcritch wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See I could agree with the first part. But then you add We have broken our world for the greed of a few . After that I sort of understand why so many folks reject the former – they're rejecting the empty moralizing. If you truly believe climate change is real then also admit that "We all have broken the world", except perhaps some uncontacted peoples in the Amazon. Anyone who has ridden in an automobile, a train, a p…

two things can be true at the same time. oil and coal before it pulled billions of people out of extreme poverty, but the debt taken on in terms of CO2 will come due. if the gulf stream stops, we're all in for a ride - or worse, our grandchildren. I'm personally in the 'drill and burn as fast as possible in a mad rush to fusion power' camp so we get a way to fix this shit rather than the 'stop civilization from doing…

But then why not "mad rush to build battery banks everywhere" instead of "mad rush to fusion power"?

It can't very well be any more expensive.

Batteries give returns right now, fusion only in the future. Maybe.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

#18

Post by ncruces »

genxy wrote: post #10
elcritch wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See I could agree with the first part. But then you add We have broken our world for the greed of a few . After that I sort of understand why so many folks reject the former – they're rejecting the empty moralizing. If you truly believe climate change is real then also admit that "We all have broken the world", except perhaps some uncontacted peoples in the Amazon. Anyone who has ridden in an automobile, a train, a p…

Not all participants are equal. You are conflating participation from equality, yes everyone participates in the system, it takes a lot of privileged to be able to disassociate ones self from the system itself. The power dynamic within the system favors the wealthy, whom have decided that this is the path we are going down.

Writing about "the wealthy" on a site like HN is always interesting.

Who do you mean?

The vast majority of HN commenters are 10%ers and very many are 1%ers.

But there's always someone richer to complain about.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

#19

Post by tracerbulletx »

elcritch wrote: post #7
jyounker wrote: post #2

"But global warming is a hoax. And even if it wasn't it's not our fault. People couldn't be the cause. And even if it is our fault there's nothing we could do about it." We have broken our world for the greed of a few. History will not be kind to us.

See I could agree with the first part. But then you add We have broken our world for the greed of a few . After that I sort of understand why so many folks reject the former – they're rejecting the empty moralizing. If you truly believe climate change is real then also admit that "We all have broken the world", except perhaps some uncontacted peoples in the Amazon. Anyone who has ridden in an automobile, a train, a p…

Not all people have equal culpability. It's absurd to be like, well you havent successfully waged an eco-terroristic war to overturn the system so you're just as bad as someone actively leading a lobby group to cast doubt on the science, or bribing politicians not to act on it, or even just as someone who votes in favor of people who resist action. In fact it's just another tactic of denialism to say "if you can't personally solve this problem just give up and caring is ineffective so you shouldn't care"

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

#20

Post by elcritch »

probably_wrong wrote: post #16
elcritch wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See I could agree with the first part. But then you add We have broken our world for the greed of a few . After that I sort of understand why so many folks reject the former – they're rejecting the empty moralizing. If you truly believe climate change is real then also admit that "We all have broken the world", except perhaps some uncontacted peoples in the Amazon. Anyone who has ridden in an automobile, a train, a p…

Not everyone's footprint is the same, though. If I cut down my plane flight in half that means I'll take a plane every two years, meaning I'll also see my family half as much. You'd also have to include that, since I travel economy, you'd divide my contribution by ~350. If Taylor Swift cuts her plane travel by half she'd "only" make 51 trips a year [1] on a plane that carries 12 and would still make more money in a y…

I didn't say we're all equally culpable. We're not. Yet en masse we're all guilty to some degree.

There's only what 10's of thousands Taylor Swifts in the world. Yet there's billions of everyone else. The majority of greenhouse gasses likely come from the aggregate of everyone.

Post reply on HN